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WilHarris · 21st Feb 2005, 16:11

www.bit-tech.net/feature/76

phaSe · 21st Feb 2005, 16:37

not really a guide to digital photography yet, but a good guide nonetheless!

What sort of timeframe will updates be?

RoB

eddie_dane · 21st Feb 2005, 16:51

Yes, you are right. When doing my research I found many horror stories and since buying a camera preceeds all usage and practices, I decided to launch with this chapter. All other chapters (5 or 6 of them) will be all technical.

My schedule is probably one of these a month. But, if we get a lot of feedback and/or suggestions of what you want to see, we could ramp it up a bit. I have my own agenda but I am interested in what our readers want to see. Keep in mind, there are a lot of great digital photography websites out there. I'm trying to keep this in context as to how it applies to our audience.

Lord_A · 21st Feb 2005, 18:18

Good opening eddie_dane, I purchased my first digital camera about a year ago and had similar experiences when hunting for a good buy, in the end I found what I wanted for a bargain price at a reputable camera store.

Looking forward for the next chapters, I haven't really played around with most of the settings on my camera yet, and since I spend most of my free time here on bit-tech it would be a great way to learn

Personally I'd like to see more than 1 chapter a month though

EDIT: btw, is that a pic of you camera? good choice if it is

Firehed · 21st Feb 2005, 18:46

I was expecting something like:
Use a flash
Use a tripod
USE THE DAMN MACRO BUTTON!

Longish read but looked helpful, I more glanced over it than anything as I already have a digicam though.

eddie_dane · 21st Feb 2005, 19:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord_A

Looking forward for the next chapters, I haven't really played around with most of the settings on my camera yet, and since I spend most of my free time here on bit-tech it would be a great way to learn

Personally I'd like to see more than 1 chapter a month though

EDIT: btw, is that a pic of you camera? good choice if it is

Yes, that's my new baby, the Panasonic FZ20.

Since different models handle features so differently, future chapters will cover the features, what they are intended for and some practical examples of why you should use them (we'll also include flashes and tripod type accessories).

Lord_A · 21st Feb 2005, 19:19

I knew it was 20 instead of the 15

I was after the lesser one, FZ10, but I couldn't find anyone who had any in stock so ended up with a Fujitsu S602Pro, I got a 1gig microdrive chucked in for free so I couldn't say no, also, I prefer regular 'AA' batteries.
I'm reasonably happy with it although I find it has really poor auto focusing ability. Once I learn to use it properly and can justify an upgrade I'll be looking again at Panasonic or Canon

Xen0phobiak · 21st Feb 2005, 19:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord_A

I knew it was 20 instead of the 15

I was after the lesser one, FZ10, but I couldn't find anyone who had any in stock so ended up with a Fujitsu S602Pro, I got a 1gig microdrive chucked in for free so I couldn't say no, also, I prefer regular 'AA' batteries.
I'm reasonably happy with it although I find it has really poor auto focusing ability. Once I learn to use it properly and can justify an upgrade I'll be looking again at Panasonic or Canon

Full manual all the way

Dodge · 21st Feb 2005, 21:58

Cant wait for the next set of articles. no matter how many websites are out there none are going to be specific to a comunity such as this and those articles require more effort than reading the top article on bit-tech

Quakefire · 22nd Feb 2005, 08:27

Well considering that i work as a sales associate for black's photography if any of you have been to canada (astrals in quebec). I can give a few tips.

Look for a place that doesn't sell on comission, otherwise u all need a cannon 20d with upgraded lens package (2500 dollars)

wide selection of cameras from low end (olympus d series maybe or kodaks) right to the top (nikon d70 or canon 20D)

if they dont let u play with the camera first, dont bother

if they wont refer u somewhere else if u need it, walk away. People are amazed when we tell them they can get something better or cheaper somehwere else. Good customer service makes it a better place to deal with

if you cant justify buying the digital slr u really want, dont bring ur wife/parents/signifigant other to talk you outta it

If you want a camera goto www.dpreview.com

Haddy · 22nd Feb 2005, 08:35

make sure you add a part in furture guides that pictures dotn need to be 22000x2000000000 to look good...Browsing the project log section burns up my dsl modem with lazy non resizing people...

Xen0phobiak · 22nd Feb 2005, 11:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haddy

make sure you add a part in furture guides that pictures dotn need to be 22000x2000000000 to look good...Browsing the project log section burns up my dsl modem with lazy non resizing people...

Agreed, I've said theres more to image quality than the pixel count for a while now (mainly to defend my 3.3 mpix cam

).

Mister_Tad · 22nd Feb 2005, 11:37

^^^ definitely
i have a 3.3mp olympus 3040 and it takes much better pics than what ive seen from new 5mp "fashion" and compact cameras

although i have a 6.3mp canon as well, and it takes better pics than the olympus, but we wont go there

seems like a lot of people just take the MP into account, ie any 5mp camera is better than any 3mp camera, was in jacobs a bit ago and overheard someone that came in and asked what small 5mpox+ camera theyd reccommend for taking everyday pics and viewing them on a pc and not printing

eddie_dane · 22nd Feb 2005, 13:58

All good points. An example is the camera I got, the Panasonic FZ20. It's a 5MP camera. Panasonic makes a 2,3, and 4 variation of essentially the same design. The image quality of the lower resolution cameras is actually better in certain circumstances (Higher ISO's). I chose mine because it was a combination of a couple other features that had an inherent value. MP only really translates to printing and cropping, a lot of people really overlook that especially since most folks will only print 4x6 prints, if ever and has no real bearing on pics intended to post on the web. I will address these issues and more in future chapters so stay tuned but keep commenting so I make sure the series stays on track to what you like to see.

Gordy · 22nd Feb 2005, 14:31

I got a refubished fuji direct from fuji for my other half's xmas pressie. It was a great saving and had the same warantee as the normal version. Not to mention being in perfect condition.

Link http://www.fujifilm.co.uk/technical/refurb/shop.php

I also moderate at a great digital camera forum called digi darkroom

Link http://www.digi-darkroom.com/

Lovah · 23rd Feb 2005, 12:45

This could very well come in handy! (A guide to digital photography)
But I found the first part a bit dissapointing.
It was more a guide to purchasing a digital camera.

L

Xen0phobiak · 23rd Feb 2005, 18:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lovah

But I found the first part a bit dissapointing.
It was more a guide to purchasing a digital camera.

That would be the first step, yes...?

Lovah · 23rd Feb 2005, 21:27

Hmmmm

Maybe so. I think most people are grown up enough to buy stuff on their own.

But It wasn't a complaint though. Just a remark. I'm looking forward to the actually photography guide.

L

BigTBird · 24th Feb 2005, 00:59

I just had an experience with A&M Photo World. They advertized in Outdoor Photography...full page ad. Even though they did not put their address in their ad...anywhere...it was assumed it was just a mail order firm. They showed the best price for a Panasonic FZ-15K by far. Showed $319.99 in the Feb 2005 issue. Went online to order and found the price at $369.99. Called them to find out what the correct price was and then they quoted me $409.99 saying that the lower priced models were not USA models and they were OUT of them. But could sell me the $409.99. I said, "No" but went back to the website and attempted to order the one at $369.99 which was still a pretty good price. They called me later to confirm the purchase...and tried to sell me another battery saying the one that came with it was not full power. I declined because I had a FZ1 with two batteries that fit the FZ-15. Shortly after that I got an email saying that my order was cancelled.
I told a friend about this place as he was looking at a Fuji S7000 and the price they asked was the best he'd seen. I had warned him but he gave it a try...and they said they had them at that price. When he went ahead with the order they then asked what warranty he wanted to buy. He said he'd just take the manufacturer's warrenty that came with the camera. They said that none came with it and it would cost him about $100 for one thru them. So he cancelled. I found another place that was actually $6.00 lower in price than their mid price and got it from them. It came...with warranty...full battery and all. I am happy but not with that company. So be careful as the article says...and look around very good. Good deals can be found but you have to be careful.

greywolf · 24th Feb 2005, 02:41

I'm looking forward to part 2. Already have a camera and hope future articles can help me take better pix for posting projects. I haven't taken the time to really dig into my camera's features that may help. Would prefer to be led by the hand, rather than the trial and error method. Very detailed an informative article on what to watch out for in buying a camera (had no clue about the "grey market") and will keep it in mind for the future.

21st Feb 2005, 16:11	#1
WilHarris Just another nobody Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Oxford Posts: 2,671	Guide to digital photography, part 1 www.bit-tech.net/feature/76

21st Feb 2005, 16:37	#2
phaSe Hypermodder Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London Posts: 603	not really a guide to digital photography yet, but a good guide nonetheless! What sort of timeframe will updates be? RoB __________________ No-Fear Shuttle Modding MG Midget Gallery

21st Feb 2005, 16:51	#3
eddie_dane below zero yáll Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South Cackalaki, US Posts: 4,750	Yes, you are right. When doing my research I found many horror stories and since buying a camera preceeds all usage and practices, I decided to launch with this chapter. All other chapters (5 or 6 of them) will be all technical. My schedule is probably one of these a month. But, if we get a lot of feedback and/or suggestions of what you want to see, we could ramp it up a bit. I have my own agenda but I am interested in what our readers want to see. Keep in mind, there are a lot of great digital photography websites out there. I'm trying to keep this in context as to how it applies to our audience. __________________ <Linear> "poor drainage is ruining my marriage". <My Wife> "I know everything, which is why you're in trouble all the time." <KNA - aka my hero>Chris, I'm not in your signature file.. can you rectify this anomaly please. my flickr shutterdoggy.com

21st Feb 2005, 18:18	#4
Lord_A Boom baby! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Leicester, UK Posts: 3,467	Good opening eddie_dane, I purchased my first digital camera about a year ago and had similar experiences when hunting for a good buy, in the end I found what I wanted for a bargain price at a reputable camera store. Looking forward for the next chapters, I haven't really played around with most of the settings on my camera yet, and since I spend most of my free time here on bit-tech it would be a great way to learn Personally I'd like to see more than 1 chapter a month though EDIT: btw, is that a pic of you camera? good choice if it is __________________ God is a trap. God is the answer when we don't know the answer. That means, when your brain is not enough big, when you don't understand, you go, "Ah, it's God, it's God." - Philippe Starck nothing to see here, move along... Last edited by Lord_A; 21st Feb 2005 at 18:29.

21st Feb 2005, 18:46	#5
Firehed Why not? I own a domain to match. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: An hour north of Boston Posts: 12,576	I was expecting something like: Use a flash Use a tripod USE THE DAMN MACRO BUTTON! Longish read but looked helpful, I more glanced over it than anything as I already have a digicam though. __________________ hire me @ eric-stern.com - web developer and php ninja pics @ my smugmug :: Twitter @firehed :: blog @ firehed.net 40D\|580EXII\|285HV\|AB800\|70-200f/4LIS\|17-50f/2.8\|150f/2.8Macro\|50f/1.8 MacPro @ 8x2.8GHz, 10GB FBDDR2, 3TB HD :: MBP @ 2x2.2GHz, 4GB DDR2, 320GB HD

21st Feb 2005, 19:19	#7
Lord_A Boom baby! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Leicester, UK Posts: 3,467	I knew it was 20 instead of the 15 I was after the lesser one, FZ10, but I couldn't find anyone who had any in stock so ended up with a Fujitsu S602Pro, I got a 1gig microdrive chucked in for free so I couldn't say no, also, I prefer regular 'AA' batteries. I'm reasonably happy with it although I find it has really poor auto focusing ability. Once I learn to use it properly and can justify an upgrade I'll be looking again at Panasonic or Canon __________________ God is a trap. God is the answer when we don't know the answer. That means, when your brain is not enough big, when you don't understand, you go, "Ah, it's God, it's God." - Philippe Starck nothing to see here, move along...

21st Feb 2005, 21:58	#9
Dodge Ultramodder Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,182	Cant wait for the next set of articles. no matter how many websites are out there none are going to be specific to a comunity such as this and those articles require more effort than reading the top article on bit-tech

22nd Feb 2005, 08:27	#10
Quakefire What's a Dremel? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12	Well considering that i work as a sales associate for black's photography if any of you have been to canada (astrals in quebec). I can give a few tips. Look for a place that doesn't sell on comission, otherwise u all need a cannon 20d with upgraded lens package (2500 dollars) wide selection of cameras from low end (olympus d series maybe or kodaks) right to the top (nikon d70 or canon 20D) if they dont let u play with the camera first, dont bother if they wont refer u somewhere else if u need it, walk away. People are amazed when we tell them they can get something better or cheaper somehwere else. Good customer service makes it a better place to deal with if you cant justify buying the digital slr u really want, dont bring ur wife/parents/signifigant other to talk you outta it If you want a camera goto www.dpreview.com __________________ <----Your Information Went Data way---->

22nd Feb 2005, 08:35	#11
Haddy World Domination Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: USA Posts: 2,821	make sure you add a part in furture guides that pictures dotn need to be 22000x2000000000 to look good...Browsing the project log section burns up my dsl modem with lazy non resizing people... __________________ My post doesnt answer your question(s)? Well try this site. Amazing what you can find with a little effort.....

22nd Feb 2005, 11:37	#13
Mister_Tad Serious about coffee Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nottingham Posts: 7,556	^^^ definitely i have a 3.3mp olympus 3040 and it takes much better pics than what ive seen from new 5mp "fashion" and compact cameras although i have a 6.3mp canon as well, and it takes better pics than the olympus, but we wont go there seems like a lot of people just take the MP into account, ie any 5mp camera is better than any 3mp camera, was in jacobs a bit ago and overheard someone that came in and asked what small 5mpox+ camera theyd reccommend for taking everyday pics and viewing them on a pc and not printing

22nd Feb 2005, 13:58	#14
eddie_dane below zero yáll Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South Cackalaki, US Posts: 4,750	All good points. An example is the camera I got, the Panasonic FZ20. It's a 5MP camera. Panasonic makes a 2,3, and 4 variation of essentially the same design. The image quality of the lower resolution cameras is actually better in certain circumstances (Higher ISO's). I chose mine because it was a combination of a couple other features that had an inherent value. MP only really translates to printing and cropping, a lot of people really overlook that especially since most folks will only print 4x6 prints, if ever and has no real bearing on pics intended to post on the web. I will address these issues and more in future chapters so stay tuned but keep commenting so I make sure the series stays on track to what you like to see. __________________ <Linear> "poor drainage is ruining my marriage". <My Wife> "I know everything, which is why you're in trouble all the time." <KNA - aka my hero>Chris, I'm not in your signature file.. can you rectify this anomaly please. my flickr shutterdoggy.com

22nd Feb 2005, 14:31	#15
Gordy Evil Teddy Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Bristol Posts: 2,485	I got a refubished fuji direct from fuji for my other half's xmas pressie. It was a great saving and had the same warantee as the normal version. Not to mention being in perfect condition. Link http://www.fujifilm.co.uk/technical/refurb/shop.php I also moderate at a great digital camera forum called digi darkroom Link http://www.digi-darkroom.com/ __________________ modding.gordyhand.co.uk

23rd Feb 2005, 12:45	#16
Lovah Apple and Canon fanboy Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 3,433	This could very well come in handy! (A guide to digital photography) But I found the first part a bit dissapointing. It was more a guide to purchasing a digital camera. L __________________ MacBook Pro 15" \| 20" Dell 2005FPW \| iPod Touch 16GB Canon 400D + BG-E3 \| RS-60E3 EF-s 10-22mm F3.5-4.5 \| EF 17-40mm F4 L \| EF 50mm F1.4 \| EF 70-200mm F4 L Manfrotto 190ProB + 486RC2 \| LumoPro LP604 \| Canon 430EX + OC-E2 \| Nikon SB-262 \| PocketWizard Plus II3

23rd Feb 2005, 21:27	#18
Lovah Apple and Canon fanboy Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 3,433	Hmmmm Maybe so. I think most people are grown up enough to buy stuff on their own. But It wasn't a complaint though. Just a remark. I'm looking forward to the actually photography guide. L __________________ MacBook Pro 15" \| 20" Dell 2005FPW \| iPod Touch 16GB Canon 400D + BG-E3 \| RS-60E3 EF-s 10-22mm F3.5-4.5 \| EF 17-40mm F4 L \| EF 50mm F1.4 \| EF 70-200mm F4 L Manfrotto 190ProB + 486RC2 \| LumoPro LP604 \| Canon 430EX + OC-E2 \| Nikon SB-262 \| PocketWizard Plus II3

24th Feb 2005, 00:59	#19
BigTBird What's a Dremel? Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: USA Posts: 1	Have to watch the major sellers too... I just had an experience with A&M Photo World. They advertized in Outdoor Photography...full page ad. Even though they did not put their address in their ad...anywhere...it was assumed it was just a mail order firm. They showed the best price for a Panasonic FZ-15K by far. Showed $319.99 in the Feb 2005 issue. Went online to order and found the price at $369.99. Called them to find out what the correct price was and then they quoted me $409.99 saying that the lower priced models were not USA models and they were OUT of them. But could sell me the $409.99. I said, "No" but went back to the website and attempted to order the one at $369.99 which was still a pretty good price. They called me later to confirm the purchase...and tried to sell me another battery saying the one that came with it was not full power. I declined because I had a FZ1 with two batteries that fit the FZ-15. Shortly after that I got an email saying that my order was cancelled. I told a friend about this place as he was looking at a Fuji S7000 and the price they asked was the best he'd seen. I had warned him but he gave it a try...and they said they had them at that price. When he went ahead with the order they then asked what warranty he wanted to buy. He said he'd just take the manufacturer's warrenty that came with the camera. They said that none came with it and it would cost him about $100 for one thru them. So he cancelled. I found another place that was actually $6.00 lower in price than their mid price and got it from them. It came...with warranty...full battery and all. I am happy but not with that company. So be careful as the article says...and look around very good. Good deals can be found but you have to be careful.

24th Feb 2005, 02:41	#20
greywolf Supermodder Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 381	I'm looking forward to part 2. Already have a camera and hope future articles can help me take better pix for posting projects. I haven't taken the time to really dig into my camera's features that may help. Would prefer to be led by the hand, rather than the trial and error method. Very detailed an informative article on what to watch out for in buying a camera (had no clue about the "grey market") and will keep it in mind for the future. __________________ Current (long unfinished) Project:Pinky2 "Oh well, not perfect but I'll live with it."