Shuttle SN25P review - bit-tech.net Forums

Tim S · 13th Jun 2005, 10:27

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...e_sn25p/1.html

Pezboy · 13th Jun 2005, 11:04

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You can't deny it's better than the old G styling, the look is more refined and everything is clean and stealthed behind shiny plastic covers.

I can and will. The G5 is the hottest looking chassis they've made to date. "Shiny plastic" is the reason we like Coolermaster cases over the $20, finger-slicing generic piles of crap. The brushed aluminum fascia on the front plate is far superior to shiny plastic.

I also take issue with "runs like a little oven." I haven't used the 25P, but I get temperatures in the 35-45C range with room temp at 23-25C, 45 only on load. The 92mm fan in my G5 has a lot to do with that, but even in my 45G4 they were 40-50C.

Sorry if I sound like a raving lunatic, but I think the P chassis was a step backwards and is far outclassed by the G5.

Tim S · 13th Jun 2005, 11:45

The chassis design is all a matter of personal preference. Both the G5 and P series chassis are nice in my opinion, and it is down to personal preference as to which suits you best.

Hiren · 13th Jun 2005, 11:54

I own a G chassis and have recently been building a computer in the P series and have to agree Pezboy. The P series is highly annoying and more difficult to build in. It's definity a step backwards imo.

Bindibadgi · 13th Jun 2005, 12:22

Hmm, i agree about the brush alu G5s, they are really really nice but the Gs are MORE of an oven than the Ps which have a FAR superior thermal design and your harddisks are less likely to die because they have a dedicated airflow and are in the top of the case making them easier to remove. Like all new cases youve got to get used to building it a few times to see how it all works.
Admittidly it's probably ever-so-slightly too large but it's still SFF, and the pics never seem to do it justice, youve got to use one for a while to appreciate it more as it definately grows on you. It's not one of those "OMFG need it NOW!" kinda things.

Remember, the G styling has had 5 revisions and the P is in it's first. A brushed alu cover to the P will make it much nicer.
Also the P interior is suprimely superior to the G in every way: 350W PSU that doesnt get in the way and better thermals etc. They could have made the ICE unit bigger though and put in a much needed PCI slot.

IronFire · 13th Jun 2005, 12:27

"but others might have more luck with higher rated ram and more labile CPUs"

"We lowered the CPUs mulitplier to ensure "

Bindibadgi · 13th Jun 2005, 13:54

what's wrong with labile?

multiplier is just a typo

IronFire · 13th Jun 2005, 14:14

Just seems to be a strange word choice to refer to a CPU.

RotoSequence · 13th Jun 2005, 15:12

Perhaps its the english teachers at my school who are getting to me with this comment...

Your liberal use of the word style and its various other forms makes me want to reword parts with the word aesthetics, or at least phrase things differently to take out the word; repetition of the same word referring to the same thing makes the reading very monotonous, and a bit more boring than if you rephrased lines to remove the word style.

Other than that, nice review Bindi; Id love to get one if only it could overclock-and if I had cash to spend on such things

Da Dego · 13th Jun 2005, 15:47

Do you guys like your shuttles? I'm curious because the next computer I do, I might take the plunge. The only issue is that I love to OC, aside from that I don't see any reason that I couldn't go for a shuttle.

Hiren · 13th Jun 2005, 15:50

Agree with Bindi's point about airflow. I just hate the sheer amount of clips the P series uses.

Da Dego - I love mine, oc's nicely, small and convient.

Shepps · 13th Jun 2005, 17:33

At least it doesn't have a stupid thermal design like the SN85G4 v1. hot air from the psu blowing over the I.C.E unit, nice one shuttle! I like shuttles, but i hate my SN85G4v1. Just wish i had the money to ditch this one and get one that wont melt down if i leave the case on.

The ST20G5 is going to replace my shuttle when i can afford it. tri monitor, mmmmm.

Bindibadgi · 13th Jun 2005, 17:34

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Originally Posted by RotoSequence

Perhaps its the english teachers at my school who are getting to me with this comment...

Your liberal use of the word style and its various other forms makes me want to reword parts with the word aesthetics, or at least phrase things differently to take out the word; repetition of the same word referring to the same thing makes the reading very monotonous, and a bit more boring than if you rephrased lines to remove the word style.

Other than that, nice review Bindi; Id love to get one if only it could overclock-and if I had cash to spend on such things

That's the joy of choice of where you read reviews. If you dont like my own british english style then there are many other sites to cater to your tastes

I get what you mean about reptition but it goes through 2 editors, stuff is swapped around and there's litterally only a certain amount of times you can say the same thing "it's fast" "it's nice" blah blah :|

Da Dego · 13th Jun 2005, 18:33

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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi

That's the joy of choice of where you read reviews. If you dont like my own british english style then there are many other sites to cater to your tastes :P
I get what you mean about reptition but it goes through 2 editors, stuff is swapped around and there's litterally only a certain amount of times you can say the same thing "it's fast" "it's nice" blah blah :|

Hmmm...someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed (or hasn't gone yet).

Bindi, was that really necessary?

That was only constructive criticism...not like he was ripping your review apart!

Firehed · 13th Jun 2005, 18:39

What timing, I was just looking into getting one.

Basically the same results I've read elsewhere. Others had better luck overclocking, but oh well. I'm looking for media center, not powerhouse.

I've also heard conflicting things about the chipset. I've read NF4 ultra and non-ultra. Even amongst the review sites I've had split results, and customer reviews at newegg show the same thing. One guy said that an updated bios (and a call to shuttle) showed it as an NF4 Ultra, but I'm really not sure.

Also, you guys wouldn't know what socket heatsink mounting that is (it wasn't pictured, but I've seen it elsewhere). I know it doesn't use A64... it it LGA775? Watercooling ponderings, for what it's worth

Bindibadgi · 13th Jun 2005, 19:14

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Originally Posted by Da Dego

Hmmm...someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed (or hasn't gone yet).

Bindi, was that really necessary?

That was only constructive criticism...not like he was ripping your review apart!

No no no no. I was merely explaining that there is a variety of editorial wealth out there to suit everyones tastes, not having a go. Roto knows what i mean, yea, aiiight

Fire:

Best ive got, it's a custom shuttle size. LGA is square.

Shepps · 13th Jun 2005, 19:17

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Originally Posted by Firehed

I've also heard conflicting things about the chipset. I've read NF4 ultra and non-ultra. Even amongst the review sites I've had split results, and customer reviews at newegg show the same thing. One guy said that an updated bios (and a call to shuttle) showed it as an NF4 Ultra, but I'm really not sure.

Its listed on the shuttle products page as having - Chipset: NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra MCP. But in the product info, it simply says NVIDIA nForce™4 MCP. Bindi?

Bindibadgi · 13th Jun 2005, 19:22

In the guff we got with it it was specficially listed as an nForce 4 MCP like in your product info and ACHI options werent clearly labelled in the BIOS revision we had so i dunno. Iirc the front of the box didnt even have the ultra labelling either.
I cant check either cause the unit has been passed on, sorry.

Maybe nvidia lowered the price of the ultra chipsets so shuttle upgraded the spec and some people got ultras to review and others standard??

Firehed · 13th Jun 2005, 19:34

Plop in a SATA-II HDD and see what it says for transfer mode?

Gah, custom waterblock mounting I guess. Unless it's 478 or Xeon. I could have sworn it looked dead square in another review I read (I read at least 6 last night), but the one at amdzone I just checked (read:first google result) definately put it a bit more rectangular than I thought.

Ok WTF?
http://global.shuttle.com/Product/Barebone/SN25P.asp
"NVIDIA nForce™4 MCP"
"(4) Serial ATA 300 headers"
and the two-page spec sheet pdf says "hardware firewall"
soo confused!

http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?im...8xN19sLmpwZw==
definately rectangular, but hard to tell if it's actually custom or just some other socket.

Bindibadgi · 13th Jun 2005, 19:49

You cant just pop in a SATA2 harddisk, you first have to enable ACHI in the BIOS and reinstall windows with ACHI enabled. If you try to use an ACHI harddisk in a non ACHI system windows will BSOD on boot and visa versa.

I dont think ANY shuttles are "standard" since they employ their own ICE unit as a complete solution. You might as well buy it and work out the rest later

you're gonna need to use some screwdown thing unless you dremel off the screw threads from the chassis underneath the mobo.

Iirc, nvidia has a standard hardware firewall, but lacks the activearmour in the non-ultra version. I think.

13th Jun 2005, 10:27	#1
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13th Jun 2005, 11:45	#3
Tim S Pewlius Caesar bit-tech Staff Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ascot, Berks Posts: 18,021	The chassis design is all a matter of personal preference. Both the G5 and P series chassis are nice in my opinion, and it is down to personal preference as to which suits you best. __________________ Tim on Twitter \| Tim's Blog \| Tim's Flickr The bit-tech Blog \| bit-tech on Twitter \| Join the bit-tech & Custom PC folding team (#35947)

13th Jun 2005, 11:54	#4
Hiren The Real Pacman bit-tech Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: England Posts: 5,809	I own a G chassis and have recently been building a computer in the P series and have to agree Pezboy. The P series is highly annoying and more difficult to build in. It's definity a step backwards imo. __________________ XBL : Shogun Hiren Homepage \| HD Tach \| Last.fm \| DeviantArt bit-tech newsletter \| bit-tech Blog

13th Jun 2005, 12:22	#5
Bindibadgi Richard Swinburne bit-tech Staff Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omnipwntent Posts: 28,267	Hmm, i agree about the brush alu G5s, they are really really nice but the Gs are MORE of an oven than the Ps which have a FAR superior thermal design and your harddisks are less likely to die because they have a dedicated airflow and are in the top of the case making them easier to remove. Like all new cases youve got to get used to building it a few times to see how it all works. Admittidly it's probably ever-so-slightly too large but it's still SFF, and the pics never seem to do it justice, youve got to use one for a while to appreciate it more as it definately grows on you. It's not one of those "OMFG need it NOW!" kinda things. Remember, the G styling has had 5 revisions and the P is in it's first. A brushed alu cover to the P will make it much nicer. Also the P interior is suprimely superior to the G in every way: 350W PSU that doesnt get in the way and better thermals etc. They could have made the ICE unit bigger though and put in a much needed PCI slot. __________________ Made you look, made you stare, made you clicked this in your underwear! Den of Geek!

13th Jun 2005, 13:54	#7
Bindibadgi Richard Swinburne bit-tech Staff Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omnipwntent Posts: 28,267	what's wrong with labile? multiplier is just a typo __________________ Made you look, made you stare, made you clicked this in your underwear! Den of Geek!

13th Jun 2005, 12:27	#6
IronFire Multimodder Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: South Posts: 102	"but others might have more luck with higher rated ram and more labile* CPUs"* "We lowered the CPUs mulitplier* to ensure "*

13th Jun 2005, 14:14	#8
IronFire Multimodder Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: South Posts: 102	Just seems to be a strange word choice to refer to a CPU.

13th Jun 2005, 15:12	#9
RotoSequence Lazy Lurker Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: 'States Posts: 4,529	Perhaps its the english teachers at my school who are getting to me with this comment... Your liberal use of the word style and its various other forms makes me want to reword parts with the word aesthetics, or at least phrase things differently to take out the word; repetition of the same word referring to the same thing makes the reading very monotonous, and a bit more boring than if you rephrased lines to remove the word style. Other than that, nice review Bindi; Id love to get one if only it could overclock-and if I had cash to spend on such things __________________ Technology Schmecnology

13th Jun 2005, 15:47	#10
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	Do you guys like your shuttles? I'm curious because the next computer I do, I might take the plunge. The only issue is that I love to OC, aside from that I don't see any reason that I couldn't go for a shuttle. __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo

13th Jun 2005, 15:50	#11
Hiren The Real Pacman bit-tech Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: England Posts: 5,809	Agree with Bindi's point about airflow. I just hate the sheer amount of clips the P series uses. Da Dego - I love mine, oc's nicely, small and convient. __________________ XBL : Shogun Hiren Homepage \| HD Tach \| Last.fm \| DeviantArt bit-tech newsletter \| bit-tech Blog

13th Jun 2005, 17:33	#12
Shepps Slacking off since 1986.. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Stourbridge Posts: 1,408	At least it doesn't have a stupid thermal design like the SN85G4 v1. hot air from the psu blowing over the I.C.E unit, nice one shuttle! I like shuttles, but i hate my SN85G4v1. Just wish i had the money to ditch this one and get one that wont melt down if i leave the case on. The ST20G5 is going to replace my shuttle when i can afford it. tri monitor, mmmmm.

13th Jun 2005, 18:39	#15
Firehed Why not? I own a domain to match. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: An hour north of Boston Posts: 12,576	What timing, I was just looking into getting one. Basically the same results I've read elsewhere. Others had better luck overclocking, but oh well. I'm looking for media center, not powerhouse. I've also heard conflicting things about the chipset. I've read NF4 ultra and non-ultra. Even amongst the review sites I've had split results, and customer reviews at newegg show the same thing. One guy said that an updated bios (and a call to shuttle) showed it as an NF4 Ultra, but I'm really not sure. Also, you guys wouldn't know what socket heatsink mounting that is (it wasn't pictured, but I've seen it elsewhere). I know it doesn't use A64... it it LGA775? Watercooling ponderings, for what it's worth __________________ hire me @ eric-stern.com - web developer and php ninja pics @ my smugmug :: Twitter @firehed :: blog @ firehed.net 40D\|580EXII\|285HV\|AB800\|70-200f/4LIS\|17-50f/2.8\|150f/2.8Macro\|50f/1.8 MacPro @ 8x2.8GHz, 10GB FBDDR2, 3TB HD :: MBP @ 2x2.2GHz, 4GB DDR2, 320GB HD

13th Jun 2005, 19:22	#18
Bindibadgi Richard Swinburne bit-tech Staff Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omnipwntent Posts: 28,267	In the guff we got with it it was specficially listed as an nForce 4 MCP like in your product info and ACHI options werent clearly labelled in the BIOS revision we had so i dunno. Iirc the front of the box didnt even have the ultra labelling either. I cant check either cause the unit has been passed on, sorry. Maybe nvidia lowered the price of the ultra chipsets so shuttle upgraded the spec and some people got ultras to review and others standard?? __________________ Made you look, made you stare, made you clicked this in your underwear! Den of Geek!

13th Jun 2005, 19:34	#19
Firehed Why not? I own a domain to match. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: An hour north of Boston Posts: 12,576	Plop in a SATA-II HDD and see what it says for transfer mode? Gah, custom waterblock mounting I guess. Unless it's 478 or Xeon. I could have sworn it looked dead square in another review I read (I read at least 6 last night), but the one at amdzone I just checked (read:first google result) definately put it a bit more rectangular than I thought. Ok WTF? http://global.shuttle.com/Product/Barebone/SN25P.asp "NVIDIA nForce™4 MCP" "(4) Serial ATA 300 headers" and the two-page spec sheet pdf says "hardware firewall" soo confused! http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?im...8xN19sLmpwZw== definately rectangular, but hard to tell if it's actually custom or just some other socket. __________________ hire me @ eric-stern.com - web developer and php ninja pics @ my smugmug :: Twitter @firehed :: blog @ firehed.net 40D\|580EXII\|285HV\|AB800\|70-200f/4LIS\|17-50f/2.8\|150f/2.8Macro\|50f/1.8 MacPro @ 8x2.8GHz, 10GB FBDDR2, 3TB HD :: MBP @ 2x2.2GHz, 4GB DDR2, 320GB HD

13th Jun 2005, 19:49	#20
Bindibadgi Richard Swinburne bit-tech Staff Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omnipwntent Posts: 28,267	You cant just pop in a SATA2 harddisk, you first have to enable ACHI in the BIOS and reinstall windows with ACHI enabled. If you try to use an ACHI harddisk in a non ACHI system windows will BSOD on boot and visa versa. I dont think ANY shuttles are "standard" since they employ their own ICE unit as a complete solution. You might as well buy it and work out the rest later you're gonna need to use some screwdown thing unless you dremel off the screw threads from the chassis underneath the mobo. Iirc, nvidia has a standard hardware firewall, but lacks the activearmour in the non-ultra version. I think. __________________ Made you look, made you stare, made you clicked this in your underwear! Den of Geek!