bit-tech.net

Go Back   bit-tech.net Forums > bit-tech.net > Article Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 22nd Jun 2005, 15:53   #1
The_Pope
Geoff Richards
Moderator
 
The_Pope's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: London, UK
Posts: 2,368
The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.
NVIDIA's GeForce 7800 GTX reviewed

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...7800gtx/1.html

Quote:
It's finally here: NVIDIA's latest GPU, the GeForce 7800 GTX, is put through its paces by Tim Smalley. How much faster is it than SLI? Find out...
The_Pope is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd Jun 2005, 16:00   #2
felix the cat
Spaceman Spiff
 
felix the cat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Planet Mok
Posts: 4,908
felix the cat has yet to learn the way of the Dremelfelix the cat has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
Quote:
We actually found that the northbridge cooler on our [eurl]http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2005/05/16/nvidia_sli_pt1/5.htmlDFI LANPARTY nF4 SLI-DR motherboard[/eurl] needed to be adjusted as it was now recognised as the noisiest fan in the entire system.
is the url meant to be like that?
__________________
...wordEs...
felix the cat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd Jun 2005, 16:03   #3
Tim S
I Mod, Therefore I Own
 
Tim S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: London
Posts: 18,878
Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.
No, sorry for any errors, it has taken me literally 3 hours to upload this on the worst 56k connection ever. I don't have net at my new home at the moment, so I'm writing and uploading as and when I can... very slowly.

Sorry for any errors
__________________
My words don't necessarily reflect those of my employer.
Tim S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd Jun 2005, 16:03   #4
The_Pope
Geoff Richards
Moderator
 
The_Pope's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: London, UK
Posts: 2,368
The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.
fixed - thanks!
The_Pope is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd Jun 2005, 16:10   #5
felix the cat
Spaceman Spiff
 
felix the cat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Planet Mok
Posts: 4,908
felix the cat has yet to learn the way of the Dremelfelix the cat has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
no worries, just thought id point out as i was reading....

56k...whats that then? did it come before or after the wheel?
__________________
...wordEs...
felix the cat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd Jun 2005, 16:12   #6
Da Dego
Brett Thomas
 
Da Dego's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Cleveland, OH USA
Posts: 3,913
Da Dego has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
New house? Your own?
__________________
"Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo
Da Dego is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd Jun 2005, 16:22   #7
Darkedge
Supermodder
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 363
Darkedge has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
hmm well not impressed with the card but maybe thats because my head hurts from trying to remember all the different setting to be able to compare the cards in my mind.
It's certainly no 6800ultra SLI in one card and actually it's no great leap at all, just an incremental bonus at high resolutions, again. Bloody expensive too - you'd be a fool to buy it now and not wait for what Ati are going to be offering, and of course it to come down to a less stupid price.
Darkedge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd Jun 2005, 16:51   #8
alextwo
 
alextwo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 772
alextwo has yet to learn the way of the Dremelalextwo has yet to learn the way of the Dremelalextwo has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
In the second sentence it says "you can check out that article here" I think it's supposed to link to the article but it doesn't.
__________________
flickr
alextwo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd Jun 2005, 17:03   #9
The_Pope
Geoff Richards
Moderator
 
The_Pope's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: London, UK
Posts: 2,368
The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.The_Pope is definitely a rep cheat.
Thanks - it's 2am here now and I'm cross-eyed I meant to fix that earlier but forgot. Tim has no net connection, otherwise he'd be here tidying up
The_Pope is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd Jun 2005, 20:06   #10
-EVRE-
Supermodder
 
-EVRE-'s Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Idaho U.S.A
Posts: 369
-EVRE- has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
I like your method of reviewing but.... in a big way your forgetting the more and more people running LCD panels that run at very specific resolutions. ie, 1024x768 (typical 15") 1280x1024(typical 17" and 19") and me as a consumer is VERY interested in a apples to apples performance comparison of the 6800gt vs the 7800gtx at those resolutions!(and same settings if possible) If you are taking the time to find the "most playable settings" you must be running the test at different resolutions and settings, including those results would be most helpful!

Thank you
-EVRE-
__________________
(Purchased February 2nd 2009(Phenom II 940 @ 3.6ghz)(Foxcon A7DA)(8gb OCZ DDR2 800 ))
(AMD 6970)( Cooler Master ATC 840)(Corsair 850w)(lite-on DVD-RW w/LightScribe)(Crucial m226 64gb ssd)(WD Black 1tb x2)(Samsung 2tb(Dell 3007WFP 30"LCD, 19" Samsung, Acer 1280x720 projector)
-EVRE- is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd Jun 2005, 20:09   #11
LordFeaR
Multimodder
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: US
Posts: 140
LordFeaR has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
I would really like to see an apples to apples comparison as well please.
LordFeaR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd Jun 2005, 20:13   #12
-EVRE-
Supermodder
 
-EVRE-'s Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Idaho U.S.A
Posts: 369
-EVRE- has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
Also, any idea if the water cooling solutions from suppliers such as, Danger Den, Koolance, (you UK guys know your local brands) will fit on the 7800gtx like they do on the 6800 serries?? The koolance guys told me it may be possible that the board layout hasnt changed much so thier cooler may fit on the 7800gtx.
__________________
(Purchased February 2nd 2009(Phenom II 940 @ 3.6ghz)(Foxcon A7DA)(8gb OCZ DDR2 800 ))
(AMD 6970)( Cooler Master ATC 840)(Corsair 850w)(lite-on DVD-RW w/LightScribe)(Crucial m226 64gb ssd)(WD Black 1tb x2)(Samsung 2tb(Dell 3007WFP 30"LCD, 19" Samsung, Acer 1280x720 projector)
-EVRE- is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd Jun 2005, 20:56   #13
Stompy
Ultramodder
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Suffolk, England
Posts: 1,112
Stompy has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
Yeh, good article but would be nice to see them all performing at the same res to get a direct comparison.
Stompy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd Jun 2005, 21:19   #14
Link2425
Multimodder
 
Link2425's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Long Beach
Posts: 107
Link2425 has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
Quote:
Originally Posted by -EVRE-
I like your method of reviewing but.... in a big way your forgetting the more and more people running LCD panels that run at very specific resolutions. ie, 1024x768 (typical 15") 1280x1024(typical 17" and 19") and me as a consumer is VERY interested in a apples to apples performance comparison of the 6800gt vs the 7800gtx at those resolutions!
-EVRE-
I couldnt agree more. best playable settings is not important to me seeing as I can only run at one res. However, I do really like how thorough and well wrtten the review is.
Link2425 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd Jun 2005, 21:39   #15
Da Dego
Brett Thomas
 
Da Dego's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Cleveland, OH USA
Posts: 3,913
Da Dego has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
Quote:
Originally Posted by -EVRE-
I like your method of reviewing but.... in a big way your forgetting the more and more people running LCD panels that run at very specific resolutions. ie, 1024x768 (typical 15") 1280x1024(typical 17" and 19") and me as a consumer is VERY interested in a apples to apples performance comparison of the 6800gt vs the 7800gtx at those resolutions!(and same settings if possible) If you are taking the time to find the "most playable settings" you must be running the test at different resolutions and settings, including those results would be most helpful!

Thank you
-EVRE-

I think you bring up an excellent point, Evre, but something to keep in mind...Half of the smaller graphical improvements and tweaking, etc, are lost on those of us with LCDs. The truth is most LCD monitors run great on a 6600gt-6800gt and have little to no need to upgrade right now, because you can only get a max of 1280 resolution out of them typically. A LOT of this stuff is for the HARDcore dude who runs his computer up in the 1600 resolution range and sets his refresh rate to the highest his 21" NEC/Sony CRT will go. Because then you can see EVERYTHING. Or maybe you just hooked it up to your 1920p HDTV.

Honestly, if you're buying all this newest stuff and using a good, typical (read: not 21+") LCD, you're not getting the advantages it offers anyways. That's why I resigned myself to the slower cards. 30fps is slightly above the threshhold of the human eye to depict fluid motion, so anything that stays above that in what you play is just fine, and anything too far above is overkill. And unfortunately, except for things like water reflection, lens effects, etc, there's not a lot of difference on an LCD between high-quality and uber-jawdrop-beautiful-quality. 4xAA isn't even all that useful at 1280 on an LCD, because you can only divide pixels up so much... There's just not the resolution there to differentiate some of the highest level shadow and texture issues, which hog the most GPU power, and without more than 4xAA, you don't need all that much memory, either (though the 256mb 6800s help out there).

Just my $0.02...that and another $1 may get you a cup of coffee.
__________________
"Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo
Da Dego is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd Jun 2005, 22:37   #16
-EVRE-
Supermodder
 
-EVRE-'s Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Idaho U.S.A
Posts: 369
-EVRE- has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
Good point about the LCD's Da Dego.

however my screen type and resolution is not detouring me from seriously considering the 7800gtx.

Right now, Im not the one looking for an upgrade, another family member is, and He wants my current setup. that would leave me with a few choices, get another 6800gt with pcie for an sli setup, or I can look to the future and get a 7800gtx.

right now, i cant see a family member buying another AGP 6800gt when I could just upgrade to something better and scalable.
__________________
(Purchased February 2nd 2009(Phenom II 940 @ 3.6ghz)(Foxcon A7DA)(8gb OCZ DDR2 800 ))
(AMD 6970)( Cooler Master ATC 840)(Corsair 850w)(lite-on DVD-RW w/LightScribe)(Crucial m226 64gb ssd)(WD Black 1tb x2)(Samsung 2tb(Dell 3007WFP 30"LCD, 19" Samsung, Acer 1280x720 projector)
-EVRE- is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd Jun 2005, 22:48   #17
JADS
Et arma et verba vulnerant
 
JADS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Portsmouth, UK
Posts: 2,918
JADS has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
You mean not everyone has a 24" TFT?

You know some of those 7800 GTX cards support dual-link DVI so how about some 2560x1600 on the lovely 30" Apple TFT? Pointless, but cool!

Seriously though some of those benchmarks are confusing because the cards can't be directly compared as they are running at different settings. Surely though in reality as most people are running a maximum resolution of 1280x1024 is there much point in buying a 7800 GTX when a less powerful and cheaper 6xxx series will give you all the poke you need?

/me echoes the sentiments of previous posters.
__________________
[AMD A64 2800+ + Zalman 7700][MSI K8N Neo Platinum][1GB Corsair PC3200][Leadtek Geforce 6600GT][Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 80GB + Maxtor Diamond Max Plus10 200GB + Maxtor Diamond Max16 120GB][Plextor PX-716 DVD-RW + 2x Plextor Premium 52x32x52 CD-RW + 16x Samsung DVD][Coolermaster ATC-201 BXT][Antec TruePower 430][Dell 2405FPW + Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070u][Logitech MX1000][Matias Tactile Pro][Griffin Technology PowerMate Black]
Email Me
JADS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23rd Jun 2005, 09:30   #18
Tim S
I Mod, Therefore I Own
 
Tim S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: London
Posts: 18,878
Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.
I will attempt to clear up the article a bit now, while I have an hour of net at a local net cafe. I understand that some of the graphs may be confusing, but that is because I haven't highlighted the settings that were used inside the text like I have done previously. I was uploading this series of articles on a connection that was giving me ~1k/s - hence why it took me 3 hours.

If you have an LCD, a 6800 GT would be a better buy IMHO - Battlefield 2 is the only game where you may lose out. After some preliminary testing in BF2, I found that a 6800 GT needed to be set to 'Medium' detail across the board. If you fancy forcing AA from the control panel, you could make use of 8xSAA on a 7800 GTX and you should get reasonably playable settings.

I will try and do some apples to apples today at 1280x1024 4xAA 8xAF and work out a way of popping the numbers in this thread a bit later on.
__________________
My words don't necessarily reflect those of my employer.
Tim S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23rd Jun 2005, 10:02   #19
Tim S
I Mod, Therefore I Own
 
Tim S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: London
Posts: 18,878
Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.Tim S is definitely a rep cheat.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkedge
hmm well not impressed with the card but maybe thats because my head hurts from trying to remember all the different setting to be able to compare the cards in my mind.
Think of it like this: the higher the resolution/settings... the faster the card...

Quote:
It's certainly no 6800ultra SLI in one card and actually it's no great leap at all, just an incremental bonus at high resolutions, again.
I disagree - you get 6800 Ultra SLI performance (and beyond when you use HDR) in every game out there, and it is cheaper than two Ultra's even after the expected price cuts.
__________________
My words don't necessarily reflect those of my employer.
Tim S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23rd Jun 2005, 13:02   #20
Darkedge
Supermodder
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 363
Darkedge has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigz
I disagree - you get 6800 Ultra SLI performance (and beyond when you use HDR) in every game out there, and it is cheaper than two Ultra's even after the expected price cuts.
well the graphs don't show twice the performance at all as I can tell and i've seen other reviews (tomshardware for example) that show an incremental increase and sometimes a decrease with SLI ffs. Not that an impressive card and certainly not twice the power.
Darkedge is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 18:51.
Powered by: vBulletin Version 3
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.