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Zidane · 6th Aug 2005, 17:20

whilst attempting to download directX (to see if i could install it on Wine and crack up B&W on my linux box, i was very bored) i came accross a lil "Windows Genuine Advantage" check before i could download it.

being a Linux Zealot, this is the first time ive actually seen it, but ive obviously heard lots about it. so, i think, lets see what microsoft makes of a linux box then.....

clicketyclick. copy-paste-code. clicketyclick.

a few brief moments later....

(this is me, having just passed the Windows Genuine Advantage check, about to d/l directX)

et voila. whaddya know, it turns out that linux, using Wine, is an actual genuine copy of windows, according to the WGA checker exe.

its at times like this i fear i may have damaged some internal organs after laughing so hard.

its not often us linux folk get to have our day against MS, but i suspect you all know what my new desktop is

`Zidane
(the one who cant stop laughing)

XUntitled · 6th Aug 2005, 17:31

Way to go Bill... thats all I have to say

)

6th Aug 2005, 17:44

hehehe!!

furqan · 6th Aug 2005, 18:17

hmm.. now try downloading updates

*for the rest of us*

Zidane · 6th Aug 2005, 18:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by badboy

hmm.. now try downloading updates

*for the rest of us*

thats easy...... *waves his magic wand and discreetly turns on automatic updates*

tadaaaaa, now you get updates without having to do the WGA.... automagically.

see, you can do this stuff when you use linux.... rofl

RotoSequence · 6th Aug 2005, 19:36

Which now brings up an interesting possibity involving WINE; if WGA recognises that as a true copy of Windows, whats stopping people from writing software that makes ANY copy of Windows get recognised as genuine?

Zidane · 6th Aug 2005, 19:49

actually Roto, thats a very good point, ive just been talking about it with a freind (im showing everyone i know that screenie, tis too funny).

this linux box doesnt have *any* windows stuff on it, i only installed wine a couple of hours ago to see if it could play a windows game, and the first thing i did was go to grab directx.

so, if there is no windows components (aside from the api's that wine emulates), just what, exactly, is the checker exe actually checking? cause it sure as hell wont find windows on my box.

Shadow_101 · 7th Aug 2005, 09:55

Thanks for the validation code

fullfat · 7th Aug 2005, 10:00

lol!

furqan · 7th Aug 2005, 20:25

*quickly writes it down*

HA Microsoft can't beat me

*I have a genuine copy of windows*

Anakha · 8th Aug 2005, 14:49

Beware. This has been submitted to /.

Lynx · 8th Aug 2005, 20:17

Why has this been submitted to /. Its not news! Wine identifys itself as windows 98 hence why it works with windows programs. You can also get it to id itself as win2k.
Nothing to see here.

sui_winbolo · 8th Aug 2005, 20:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by RotoSequence

Which now brings up an interesting possibity involving WINE; if WGA recognises that as a true copy of Windows, whats stopping people from writing software that makes ANY copy of Windows get recognised as genuine?

Well you can turn off validation in IE and you can download all you want even if your copy isn't legit.

Anakha · 8th Aug 2005, 20:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lynx

Why has this been submitted to /. Its not news! Wine identifys itself as windows 98 hence why it works with windows programs. You can also get it to id itself as win2k.
Nothing to see here.

It's news, as there is absolutely no Windows code in WINE, yet Microsoft's "Windows Genuine Advantage" tool (That is written by MS to ensure that all copies of Windows that download from Microsoft's site) still reports that WINE is a "REAL" copy of Windows.

So, in other words, the "Windows Genuine Advantage" offers no "Advantage" at all, no matter if your copy of windows is genuine or not.

kenco_uk · 8th Aug 2005, 20:50

I thought it ran using Java?

Anakha · 8th Aug 2005, 21:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenco_uk

I thought it ran using Java?

Nope. It runs using ActiveX in IE, or with a seperate executable for any other browser.

insomniacity · 9th Aug 2005, 09:11

Any chance of you hosting the image somewhere else? I just see an imageshack 'excessive usage' image.

Cheap Mod Wannabe · 9th Aug 2005, 09:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheap Mod Wannabe

Ehhh don't you guys think that Microsoft did this on purpose? I mean the security is made so it would check Genuine Microsoft Software, not REdHat or OSX genuinity, however the content is made available for wider spectrum of users than just MS thus it allow downloads from other OS's. Imagine how many people would be bit**ing about MS if you could not download nothing from MS website on your MAC/Linux (or other). Downloads such as Windows Media PLayer and etc. Also MS would get sued by a lot of companies and individuals if they would block other OS's. And I think MS would not have right nor reason to make checks for other OS's thus it just allows them to go through.

What is the big fuss about daaamn.

The_Pope · 9th Aug 2005, 10:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by insomniacity

Any chance of you hosting the image somewhere else? I just see an imageshack 'excessive usage' image.

I'm just waiting for Zidane to pop back online and send me the image - we can host it without any bandwidth problems. This story got slashdotted, and nobody thought to grab it before it died. Sorry about that.

GreatOldOne · 9th Aug 2005, 10:34

Thanks for the offer, PJ, but as soon as Zidane wakes up and gets online, we'll be hosting the pic on bit-tech.

Sorry for lack of picture - we'll get you back to our scheduled programming as soon as possible!

6th Aug 2005, 17:20	#1
Zidane Hypermodder Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: At my desk. Posts: 688	Linux is a Genuine Windows? turns out it is. whilst attempting to download directX (to see if i could install it on Wine and crack up B&W on my linux box, i was very bored) i came accross a lil "Windows Genuine Advantage" check before i could download it. being a Linux Zealot, this is the first time ive actually seen it, but ive obviously heard lots about it. so, i think, lets see what microsoft makes of a linux box then..... clicketyclick. copy-paste-code. clicketyclick. a few brief moments later.... (this is me, having just passed the Windows Genuine Advantage check, about to d/l directX) et voila. whaddya know, it turns out that linux, using Wine, is an actual genuine copy of windows, according to the WGA checker exe. its at times like this i fear i may have damaged some internal organs after laughing so hard. its not often us linux folk get to have our day against MS, but i suspect you all know what my new desktop is `Zidane (the one who cant stop laughing) __________________ You dont need a reason to help people. `Zidane Tribal. Bit-Tech Folding@Home Team 33346 -> here Join the Bit-Tech Folding@Home team -> here need a hand joining or setting up? ask us on the bit-tech forums -> here Last edited by The_Pope; 9th Aug 2005 at 11:47.

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RotoSequence Lazy Lurker Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: 'States Posts: 4,588	Which now brings up an interesting possibity involving WINE; if WGA recognises that as a true copy of Windows, whats stopping people from writing software that makes ANY copy of Windows get recognised as genuine? __________________ Technology Schmecnology

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Zidane Hypermodder Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: At my desk. Posts: 688	actually Roto, thats a very good point, ive just been talking about it with a freind (im showing everyone i know that screenie, tis too funny). this linux box doesnt have any windows stuff on it, i only installed wine a couple of hours ago to see if it could play a windows game, and the first thing i did was go to grab directx. so, if there is no windows components (aside from the api's that wine emulates), just what, exactly, is the checker exe actually checking? cause it sure as hell wont find windows on my box. __________________ You dont need a reason to help people. `Zidane Tribal. Bit-Tech Folding@Home Team 33346 -> here Join the Bit-Tech Folding@Home team -> here need a hand joining or setting up? ask us on the bit-tech forums -> here

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Lynx Hypermodder Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Cambridge Posts: 864	Why has this been submitted to /. Its not news! Wine identifys itself as windows 98 hence why it works with windows programs. You can also get it to id itself as win2k. Nothing to see here.

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GreatOldOne Wannabe Martian Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gale Crater Posts: 12,081	Thanks for the offer, PJ, but as soon as Zidane wakes up and gets online, we'll be hosting the pic on bit-tech. Sorry for lack of picture - we'll get you back to our scheduled programming as soon as possible! __________________ "Maybe we're on Mars because we have to be, because there's a deep nomadic impulse built into us by the evolutionary process, we come after all, from hunter gatherers, and for 99.9% of our tenure on Earth we've been wanderers. And, the next place to wander to, is Mars. But whatever the reason you're on Mars is, I'm glad you're there. And I wish I was with you." - Carl Sagan A GOO-ster is Born - Build Diary RSS I'm a Great Oakley product tester! My purpose built testing centre