I know what makes a good map is subjective. I think Kismayo, Italy, Deltamill and perhaps Nightfever are good maps because they provide options - you never have to take one route, and there is variety - chokepoints are not so hideously fixed or timed that one team can never realistically win on a public server. However I accept that some people may prefer other maps - even so its unfortunate to remove Kismayo yet leave in Assault. Tonight it killed the server stone dead - it's the weekend and the server was emptied before midnight. That seems like a shame. I suspect the regulars are the people who keep the server an interesting enough place to visit - perhaps a way can be found to keep the server fresh for their benefit. A random map a week or something. Or remove assault and dust. Otherwise a lot of time is spent grinding through a hopeless map in the hope you won't be a terrorist on aztec or similar on the next map. People don't quit out in case their place is lost, or because of the strangely monotonous addictive qualities of css. Is the server just about numbers between 6.30 and 10.30 or is the playing experience of importance too? On a modern connection downloading a new map takes seconds but a bit of variety keeps the server from collapsing after it gets late and stops the cumulative onset of boredom when it isn't. Perhaps you disagree - respond to this email if so - curious to know what proportion of people actually like assault (and dust, and aztec and prodigy and all the other maps designed for much smaller servers). Cheers, Kyser Soze.
I'm pretty sure we had this discussion already. It would be interesting to see some stats. I.e. what's the win % for CTs on Assault?
so we can never discuss this again? Argument invalid. As for stats - how about your own personal experience of playing the map. If you find yourself ct on assault do you start ordering in the champagne and caviar? Or do you pray that four of your team won't buy sniper rifles and hide because then the torture will continue forever. Do you rush the vent, certain in the knowledge it will be clear? Nope. Everybody knows that unless janitor, caveman, weazle, Jesus, the Hulk, the Punisher and Bravo Two Zero are on ct team, and the terrorists are all incontinent old ladies who've accidentally logged into their grandson's computer looking for geriatric porn then its going to go horribly wrong. If the ct team try suiciding off the roof, they get banned. If they dare to criticise the map, they get banned. (well, threatened with bans) - so this forum seems the place to raise the issue, wouldn't you say? Your chum, Kyser
I like drama. Actually, things have changed since the last flamewar. MPUK are adding FTP, to make them more attractive to people who play source games. This means we will have a lot more room for configuration when that happens. I can talk about the things we might do to keep everyone (yeah right) happy when that happens. In the meantime, as a compromise, I'll drop cs_assault from the server as and when this forum hits 500 posts. Preferably not all saying OMG REMOVES ASSAULT, as that is already noted. tl;dr get some community spirit, other than bitching on the server, and assault will dissapear.
Omg i cant believe you put jesus on a 1337 list whats happening to the server And anyway i moan all the time on the server about assault and have never been theatend with a ban its not in the rules, i tend to just F10 drop whenever that map pops up, if i dont like a map i just leave for 20mins. Remove asssalt or at least mod it or somthing That dude
You don't get banned for moaning about the map, you get kicked for being an annoying little bitch. What j!n just said is how it's supposed to go.
I might just have to start playing on public servers again, namely the CPC one that you're currently discussing. See what you're all made of What's all this bitching about Assault? gK (Genuine Killers - my old clan) used to play fun matches on Assault all the time and we were easily capable of winning 5+ rounds on CT using some tactics and practice. If you're all bitching about it being changed because you think it's a stacked map, you're actually bitching about not being good enough to win.
Your old clan played 16v16 matches? Thats an odd way of doing things. And jin the fact you never got warned for moaning about the map is down to blind luck as to which admins are online at the time. There used to be a problem with people not wanting to play assault, but not wanting to lose their slot either, so they'd stay and just piss about. That problem is for the most part gone, since Assault now tends to occur at times when the server isn't full, so people can get back on. Coincidentally, the server seems to be full alot less than it used to be. Since this thread is supposedly for all maps can I bring up Compound for a moment? A while back some admins limited the flashbangs per team on it, which made the map much better to be a CT imo. Whilst you don't wanna discourage people from buying flashes, no one wants to suffer 10 in quick succession either.
The plain fact is listening to people, with entitlement issues, moaning ad infinitum is incredibly irritating. And I can think of at least five reasons people aren't playing css, and they're all available on steam. Hint: three of them are sequels to sequels. And once again, the reasons I do not like removing official maps are: One is never enough. Empty vessels make the most noise.
Wat. Explain to me how you think it is you need 32 players to play a match on Assault. Also, it saddens me that people are not playing CSS anymore. It's one of the most demanding games that I have ever played with regard to technical skill and one of the only ones that I have played at a competitive level. The CoD series has claimed more than a few of my "regualr css playing" friends. Makes me a sad panda.
Most css maps are designed on the premise of 5v5. There are only a handful of maps that actually play well at higher counts. Offhand I can only think of Dust2 and Piranesi. There are a lot of custom maps available that are designed for higher playercounts but almost every one of them has some form of downside, you can pick from a list of: badly designed, major framerate hit, ugly, 200meg download, gimmicky, glitchy. A surprising number actually have 6 out of 7 points scored from that list. The beauty of it is, just like officials, everyone has their own pet map and blah blah blah blah.
"I might just have to start playing on public servers again, namely the CPC one that you're currently discussing. See what you're all made of What's all this bitching about Assault? gK (Genuine Killers - my old clan) used to play fun matches on Assault all the time and we were easily capable of winning 5+ rounds on CT using some tactics and practice." I don't think enough people will leave the server to allow you to play 5v5. It's a 32 player server, your 5v5 "tactics and practice" are unlikely to be effective on the server. I also explicitly said that 16v16 is not how you play matches, and then you ask me why I think you need 32 to play a match...
Could you stop ranting please artega. When you rant I have to manually approve your ranting post so other people can see it. Its making me feel all hollow inside.
I'm going to be as nice as possible about this. 1) learn to quote. 2) I didn't say that I expected people to leave the server, I said that we used to play matches on that map (again, for a laugh, cs_ maps are not allowed on league maplists) and because of that we learned every trick in the book for Assault. That alone means that I am capable of playing the map differently than your average public player whining about how it's impossible to win rounds on CT and how it's a stacked map. That sort of negative attitude can lose a team the round before the countdown timer has even finished. 3) My 5v5 "tactics and practice" are always effective. 4) How could you possibly expect me to take that any other way than you saying that 32 players are required for a match on Assault? 5) Spoiler You lost the game a long time ago.
I think the point Artega is trying to make is that Assault is a hard map to play when there are 16v16 as is dust. However i find if the CT's just rush it then they usally win and if not its gets the map ova and dont with quick
I thought I was very reasonable with my post - is any server criticism of any kind whining? Implicitly anybody who plays regularly on this server likes a lot of things about it. Not every complaint is vitriolic or entitled. 5v5 - yes, any map can be beaten. 16 v 16 hairy arsed loafers on a public server, half of whom are trying to roll columbian cigarettes while the rest try to chat up Amy - well, you can rush positively into battle, a song in your heart and a real desire for the team to win - and you will still die. After a while that becomes disheartening when certain maps ensure it will pretty much always happen. Cheers, Kyser. P.S. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tl;dr
You had to google tl;dr? And in general yes it is whining. What I can't understand is why you'd they play on a server where you they don't like the settings. The answer to which is something along the lines of 'I like the people who play there'. You They never seem to consider how those people got there in the first place. Did they all magically appear, were even 10 percent of them there a year ago? No. If I took all the suggestions I hear, and just did them, that server would be a ghost town. Unlike the people who just sit on the server whining I've been running public servers for a long time, and I know from bitter experience what definitely does not work. It's like you're all holding hammers and discussing what a good idea it would be to crack yourselves upside the head with them. Well no thanks brah. Been there, done that. And anyway most of the people who complain on the server only ever visit the forums to moan, and they don't even do that particularly regularly. I rarely see them show anything other than petulance, and they're exactly the people who scurry off when I join the server. And pretty soon I'll do them a favour and present them with a whole new set of options; an entire internet of alternative servers for them to play on.
made an account.. read this thread.. had a giggle... once again im one for having assault gone, apart from it effecting the player count *not tonight.. it came on quite late* but the moans and groans and general crap it produces... i.e. some of the posts in this thread. ''3) My 5v5 "tactics and practice" are always effective.'' - Unicorn ^^ i understand where your coming from on that.. used to play Battlefield 2 & 2142 under tourny rules but with a full 64 player server.. Squad tactics and all that on a big map. But this isnt the BF series, and its not 5v5.... and the last time I checked my math 5 people do not equal 16. if your 5v5 tactics are that good, I welcome you to try them on this server, with assault... nay... yaknow what.. I want to see it. Apart from that, I will say this; I would like it if assault went ka-boom, but if it doesnt then fair enough. I like the server that much.
