News Epic: "PC piracy drove us to consoles"

kylew · 21 May 2010

Sloth said:

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Absolutely no chance they're losing money on it.

That's where they've been very clever with Steam. Think about it, every Valve game they sell, costs them nothing but bandwidth.

The game as a "Product" doesn't exist to them until you purchase it, it's not like they've made up copies at a pressing plant and have to sell each copy to avoid making a loss.

In technically terms, you're basically getting a copy "made" for you each time you buy a new game. That ensures maximal profit while costing nothing but bandwith costs to supply the game. As for the profit on a per game basis, I think that's something that she be ignored, as they're not selling "SKUs", they seemingly look at their profit on a per title basis, it doesn't matter to them that they made £100,000 from 10,000 sales of the game, or 20,000 sales of the game, they still made £100,000 on the same product, which they made years ago and have more than made their costs back on developing it.

They made their costs on their games years ago, they made their profit on their games years ago too, any sale between 6 months after the game was released, until now, is huge profits.
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I totally agree that they're making a profit, only being a Devil's Advocate by pointing out that it never specifically says profit

It's just not entirely true that any money made from now on goes straight to their pockets as one huge net profit. As it says, sales go up 100% on updates and that increase almost certainly pays off any costs and then some, but there is a cost to the updates. Any game with patches and updates will have a continued cost to maintain until it is abandoned, unless it's run by a community of unpaid players (such as Counter Strike: Source and its vast pool of community developed content). Of course, without any actual numbers coming from Valve it's impossible to say how much an update costs and just how much of an actual profit they make in the end off of each update. And then there's the games like Half Life that aren't really updated because they're singleplayer, those are more like you were saying where anything after initial development is pure profit.
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That's very true that it costs them to do updates, however I believe that with some of the updates, they're laying the groundwork for upcoming projects.

With the recent update to portal, moving it to the latest version of the source engine, I think part of the reason they did that was to lay the ground work for portal 2.

mastorofpuppetz · 21 May 2010

Warrior24_7 said:

mastorofpuppetz said:

Everytime EPIC speaks it's annoying, OK, that's fine, we already know why you focus on Console, but there is no reason you can't do PC and console like most devs (Especially a once PC giant in epic), surely they are making enough money on console as it is.

Piracy is an issue, but blaming piracy is a load of BS.
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What do you mean that there is no reason they can't do both, they do, do both. They're not console exclusive.
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HUH? Show me where Gears of War 2 is on PC?

Warrior24_7 · 21 May 2010

mastorofpuppetz said:

Warrior24_7 said:

mastorofpuppetz said:

Everytime EPIC speaks it's annoying, OK, that's fine, we already know why you focus on Console, but there is no reason you can't do PC and console like most devs (Especially a once PC giant in epic), surely they are making enough money on console as it is.

Piracy is an issue, but blaming piracy is a load of BS.
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What do you mean that there is no reason they can't do both, they do, do both. They're not console exclusive.
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HUH? Show me where Gears of War 2 is on PC?
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Just because Gears of War 2 & (maybe) 3 are Xbox 360 exclusive (a M$ decision), doesn't mean that they've stopped making PC games. UT III was cross platform and the new game Bullet Storm that looks pretty good, is Cross platform as well. Whats the difference between them and Crytek who has said and done the exact same thing?!! I don't get it?

http://pc.ign.com/articles/108/1089297p1.html

Mithyx · 22 May 2010

This news article should've had trollface.jpg as the picture.

Rebourne · 24 May 2010

They keep trying to blame their fans and it's not right. The market has moved towards consoles because they are cheaper and more accessible. They certainly have managed to alienate me, I've been quite offended by their comments and absolute **** support for Gears of War on PC, which I bought by the way. I won't be buying their products on PC or console and this just reinforces why.

Pooeypants · 12 Jun 2010

Warrior24_7 said: ↑

Just because Gears of War 2 & (maybe) 3 are Xbox 360 exclusive (a M$ decision), doesn't mean that they've stopped making PC games. UT III was cross platform and the new game Bullet Storm that looks pretty good, is Cross platform as well. Whats the difference between them and Crytek who has said and done the exact same thing?!! I don't get it?

http://pc.ign.com/articles/108/1089297p1.html
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UT3 felt like a step backwards compared to its predecessors. I mean, if it were as good as 2k4 or 2k3 then why doesn't it still have a good MP base? I had the game preordered and as soon as I loaded up into the menu, I could feel the consolitis seeping through.

The jury is still out for Crytek but rest assured that if they gimp Crysis 2 due to console constraints, we'll be there to flame on.

knuck · 12 Jun 2010

Pooeypants said: ↑

UT3 felt like a step backwards compared to its predecessors. I mean, if it were as good as 2k4 or 2k3 then why doesn't it still have a good MP base? I had the game preordered and as soon as I loaded up into the menu, I could feel the consolitis seeping through.

The jury is still out for Crytek but rest assured that if they gimp Crysis 2 due to console constraints, we'll be there to flame on.
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