Windows Don't buy MOH if you're British

Anyone ever seen Rambo III? Yep? Remember those kind guys who helped Rambo survive after having rescued Trautman. Oh, how fine were they! So kind and gentle, a noble population with great ideals of freedom.

You think they have changed now? They are the same as they were before, the only difference is that now they fight us (they are obliged to) instead of Evil Devil Red Children-Eaters Damn Ugly Communists.

Man... we all know why we are there, and it's called oil.
I'm not defending them. But they are not as bad as some african dictators. And they are not worse than us. We torture and kill them, we send Phosphorous Bombs there, violating an explicit ONU convention, burning the skin of civilians as much as the 1% of Talibans.
You do NOT change anything with violence.

 

Im sorry but quite a lot of your posts on this issue is quite inaccurate. Regarding your post about how Fighter Jets escort Commercial planes for a small portion of your journey, let me ask you a question. Have you ever looked out of a window to see a F-22 Raptor or a F-15 Eagle or a Tornado shadowing your aircraft? Nope. The only reason that they would do that is if there was a errorist Alert specifing THAT plane.

Also, poppy production was not banned by the taliban, they encouraged it. While i have to agree that the wars in afghanistan and iraq are more than just about saving the afghan population, it is a fact that the taliban uses drugs to fund their war on NATO.

As someone who was in the underground station when one of the bombs went off during 7/7, i would seriously recommend you get rid of the post where you state you are proud to play the taliban. By saying that, you would have insulted the familys of all those affected by the 9/11, the 7/7 and the Madrid bombings.

You say that Afghanistan is a major trade route in the region, and while i agree it has a huge untapped potential with all the oil and gems they have underneath their feet, i wouldnt say its a major trade route. All the trade routes they HAD have all been re routed through India and Pakistan. I mean, why do you think india is growing with money? Because of trade. The trade does not go through afghanistan any more.

Now on a different note: I think this is just a publicity stunt gone wrong for Liam Fox. Hes just trying to get Rep from the community who ignores logic and fact.

We really need someone to develop a game where its gamers vs politicians. Oh look, theirs our number one target, tony blair! *SNIPED*.

 

Free speech. They can do what they want. They're a business after all and have to make money, if people don't buy it the game wont succeed. It's entirely up to the game buying populace how the game does.
I guess there are issues of taste but there are books and films based on this war aren't there? If so why not a game.
The ever relevant quote: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". I'd much rather have people able to do basically what they want and in the process offend some people than not.

 

This thread was pointless 4 pages ago and its still just as pointless now, can we get it locked.

 

It's only pointless if you're not interested.

I've enjoyed reading it, if you've not then just don't come into it?

 

That is what I said, you've simply re-iterated it for me. Thanks.

Poppy production was BANNED under the Taliban regime. It's a FACT, get over it; http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/20/world/taliban-s-ban-on-poppy-a-success-us-aides-say.html
Please note the date, May, 2001, just before the US led invasion.

Too bad if I've insulted you or anyone else. You think the Taliban bombed the tube? HAHAHAHA, you're a retard! Home grown English radical muslim fanatics bombed London because the UK was (and continues) to kill Muslims in Afghanistan, and Iraq at the time. Much more dangerous and out-of-control than a few foreign agents, I am sorry to say. Nothing to do with the Taliban, everything to do with the greed and imperialism of the West.

Again, LOL! For over a thousand years Afghanistan has, though mountainous and inhospitable, been part of a major route trade from the East to the West. Ever heard of the 'Silk Road'?

Wow, I thought you people would be educated, but man, was I wrong! What a joke!

Anyway, in so far as game content is concerned; no sexualisation, no violence against women or kids, and just about anything else goes, so long as it's made clear to the buyer beforehand.

 

+backhands argumentative people+ Stop being flaming/raging towels... I demand it, like Megatron demands you do as he commands...

It looks a good game, I'm buying it and I did a short service before injury. Get a grip and realise it's fiction. It's an MP trying to score points with 'moral bandwagon outrage' (remember Johnathan R(W)oss?) It's pointless and more people will buy it now to wind him up

I'll be buying it, aswell as a few other games. I make my own choices about the games I play, why can't you people? Why did you drag other wars and state your own morals and ethics like this MP is going to hunt down our forum? No-one cares... it's the internet. Buy it if you like the look of it, don't if you don't. Blow stuff up regardless...

If you are offended by anything stated on the game please lock yourself in a room and watch Mock the Week from start to finish... season 1 onwards... then you'll be cured.

 

Commercial aircraft are even now, very very rarely escorted/intercepted through any airspace because of pre submitted flight plans by the carrier allow them to alter the route to go around dangerous or restricted areas.
Pre 9/11 an escort/interception for leaving your designated flight plan was unheard of, as bad as that sounds, security on internal flights in the U.S. was a shocking disgrace prior to 9/11 which is why they took so long to do anything, that coupled with the very short flight time from where they took off, it actually wouldnt have been too difficult as the concept that someone might actually want to do that hadn't been thought about.

Poppy production was banned by the Taliban, But it was also encourged as long as the proceeds go to funding the Taliban or funding the downfall of the corrupt western government.

While the silk road was in use for a very long time only a small part of one of the routes actually passed through afghanistan and the advent of commercial cargo flights and container shipping has all but completely killed it off.

 

At last, someone who really knows what they're talking about. Thanks mate... 8)

 

I think he was putting you straight a bit m0ngy tbh...

"Thanks for showing me I as only 1/2 correct"

And you were complaining about uneducated people?

 

Mongy, in what country are you a resident? I think this is an important question for two reasons.

1. If you are not resident in Afghanistan, how do you know exactly what the Afghan people want, with regards to the Taliban.

2. If you were not resident in Afghanstan during the period of time when the Taliban were in control, what gives you the right to say that this is what the people wanted?

Further, I would accuse you of evading the issue of human rights crimes, committed by the Taliban, both before and after the invasion. Why are you skirting round it by claiming it is not our right to impose our beliefs on another culture. This is an absolute cop-out, and shows you to be nothing more than an uneducated, trolling pain in the scrotum. And that's before your STUPID comment on how proud of the taliban you are.

If I met someone in the street who spouted the same as you have here, I would consider calling the police and taking you as a threat, but seeing as we are on the net, and you are protected by anonymity, I see your outbursts as nothing more than some half baked way to stir up a hornets nest. Grow up.

 

May I point out why your points are pointless D)?

1. You know? Bush knew, when he decided to invade Afghanistan?
2. Same as before. Anyhow, Talibans still control the majority of the territory. They won the war (if you think it has ended), or they are winning it. They were even asked to be part of the government.

Human rights: they evaded them. Our soldiers and politicians did too. Remember tortures and acid bombs? It is to easy to notice only what you want. Regarding the rest of the rant, I personally believe you exaggerate a little.

Anyhow, I do not like Talebans. In fact, I dislike everyone who kills, cheats, corrupts, torture. I think that we, with our rich and smart society, are not much better. And facts, IMHO, prove it.

 

Word.

I'm not about to take advice as to what games I should or shouldn't buy from a man who's probably never played one before.

Unfair. Judge a society by what it officially sanctions and allows to happen, not by what some of its members choose to do. Our government didn't wade in going "ok boys, chop off hands and stone anyone without a veil!" The taliban did (or so I'm told - I'm not clear on the details.) Putting us all in one big misanthropic basket together is a daft oversimplification that ignores how far our society has progressed.

 

Why is it that because I am challenging Mongy's opinion that the Taliban are nothing more than normal men and women who are fighting nicely, I attract flak for the rights and wrongs of the war? As I have said, I have never tried to justify the invasion, and I do believe it was wrong for us to get involved.

If you think I exaggerate over the human rights attrocities enacted by the Taliban, both pre and post invasion, then you need to do some homework to show this. Here's some info to get you started:

http://departments.kings.edu/womens_history/taliba.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/16/taliban-stone-couple-for_n_683080.html

http://www.rawa.org/massacre.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/02/taliban-pakistan-justice-women-flogging

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Grow-beards-or-face-punishment-Taliban/305671/

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article5537025.ece

http://www.newsoxy.com/world/amnesty-international-punishments-in-islam-14250.html

I could go on with the hundreds of videos showing the Taliban dishing out their rough justice, and with many more articles detailing the human rights crimes being committed. Sure, I am just exaggerating

My guess is that monger would claim this all to be nothing more than imperialist propoganda. The Nazis said similar about the death camps didn't they?

 

I believe you are partially right, in fact. But we are not angels as they are not devils, don't you think?
They are some centuries back under some aspects: they (talibans) behave like we did >3 centuries ago.

By the way, i do not agree on the firts part of your post: I should not judge a society by what it officially sanctions and allows to happen. First, our society allows many atrocities to happen (yes, we do). Second, Stalin's dictatourship was officially great. Everyone equal! Equal rights and duties! Noone left behind! Behind what's official there's a whole (evil?) world.

 

Are you referring to me? Sorry, but I do not understand if you are speaking to me or to Mongy.
If you are speaking to me, I honestly believe you did not read carefully my posts.
And, please, never ever again suggest some far kind of correlation between me and nazis. People in my family was deported for having supported the Resistance, and my city was awarded of a Gold Medal for Resistance. I live between mountains where you can find various monuments celebrating the courage and moral righteousness of Partisans from all countries.

 

Unless you have changed your name to monger (should have been Mongy, my typo), then how could you assume I was referring to you? For someone who has claimed I haven't read your posts, you don't seem to be doing too good yourself.

 

Man, be patient, not everyonw is a native english-speaker here. I'm glad you did not notice I wasn't, means my English is not that bad!

 

Just wanted to clear up the fact that I wasn't addressing the statement to you, which you seemed to think I was. Apologies if the confusion was due to English being your second language

 

This is hilarious. I just appreciated woodspoon's 5c worth 'casue it was so unemotive and factual.

stuartpb, you certainly did try and justify the invasion of Afghanistan, and continue to do so with your comments regarding how brutal you thought the Taliban were. I have never denied that, by our standards, the Taliban have a very tough way of dealing with those they see as infringing on Islamic law, but this is their custom. They are not likeus, they are different. You need to understand that, ok, the whole world doesn't want to live like us. What they do in their own country, on the other side of the planet is simply none of our business. None at all. Remember, it is their country, we are the oppressors here, not them. You want to talk about propaganda, I think you've a hard time discriminating the facts yourself there buddy.

That's right. Who are we to ride in there, like John Wayne, bomb the sh!t of them, and then attempt to teach the greatness of democracy from the safety of armoured convoys? Don't you think, if they really wanted us there, preaching the democratic gospel might be a little bit easier?

Fact: People get the government they deserve, that's most effective for them. This has always been always the case, throughout history. The people have always decided, even in ancient times the relationship between the people and the monarch was always reciprocal. If the ruler made the people suffer too much they were deposed and replaced. The Taliban were in control of Afghanistan, brutal as they may seem to us, because this is a traditional, tribal, lawless society, with many different factions jostling for position. The Taliban, through clever and cunning and bravery and strategic alliance came out on top, and in a traditional society this makes them the legitimate rulers. Look at almost all the middle-eastern, african, and south-east asian nations, developing nations which are a bit backward, and they all have dictators leading them. Strong men who rule with an iron fist in dangerous, lawless, backward societies. The Taliban brought order and the rule of law to Afghan society, and continue to do so though occupied. Right now, on the ground in Afghanistan, the western-backed regime, fractured and corrupt, exists only in Kabul. People living in remote villages seek justice from Taliban courts, from Taliban judges, for criminal and civil matters. He stole your goat? Then he should compensate you with two blocks of cheese and a case of ammo, etc. The people look to the Taliban for good governance, not us, and this is why we'll never win and should just leave. Not just leave, but apologise and then help the Taliban rebuild their country, build infrastructure for them, so that we may influence their government for a mutually beneficial and long lasting outcome. Like Bush snr said of Saddam in the 80's, when they were all pals, "He's a son of a b!tch, but he's our son of a b!tch!"