E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

Meanwhile in DUP news:

Basically the DUP has been told that their crooked relationship with the Tories will end when May is ousted, so they have little reason to back her deal.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/why-the-dup-are-worried-about-tory-succession/

 

They call pain au chocolat "croissant" here in the US. Absolute blasphemy.

 

That assumes a much, much, smaller scale buying/selling scenario than I assure you exists in this particular instance.

 

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Of course the deal has to be worse than membership! It logically follows! It is the obligations of membership that makes its benefits possible. If you start giving those benefits to countries without having to adhere to the obligations, those benefits quickly become impossible to realise.

The best deal for the citizens of the remaining EU-27 is to safeguard their benefits by safeguarding the obligations that make those benefits possible.

That entirely depends on the relative power base. The average greengrocer working on right margins does not actually have the financial resources or power to take a large banana supplier to task --particularly if this is some big conglomerate that has the world market sown up. Conversely the independent banana farmer in South America cannot defend himself against an unreasonable lawsuit by a large supermarket conglomerate.

That's why laws and regulations exist: to protect the weaker party from exploitative practices. Ask any farmer who grows for Tesco; ask any small independent retailer who deals with international suppliers.

 

Meanwhile, I give you the Will of the People™:

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Seriously are you guys saying that the likes of Tesco needs the EU from being done over by dodgy banana suppliers? This stuff can be dealt with by trade associations and so on. The EU doesn't do the certification for organics, for rain forest friendliness and whatnot. The grading of fruit changes as the market changes. The grading encourages a lot of misshapen food to be wasted and now supermarkets are stocking it due to consumer pressure.

 

Tesco doesn't - The poor bloke farming the banana's does. You and I do.

 

You are just rehashing the same refuted arguments now. It's almost as if you didn't take in the previous posts... Do you work for government, by any chance?

 

When such a long discussion can take place over just the misconception of the selling of bananas no wonder Brexit as a whole as been a fiasco.

Expand this out to other aspects of withdrawl, a recent conversation with my mum had her saying "why doesn't NI just join Ireland?".... Yeah, I wasn't sure whether I could even start talking to her about that as my jaw was weighted to the ground...

 

Ok, we're in dire straits. The French have more humour than us now, we have nothing left:

French European Minister Nathalie Loiseau has called her cat 'Brexit' - as "he wakes me up every morning miaowing to death because he wants to go out, and then when I open the door he stays in the middle, undecided, and then gives me evil looks when I put him out."

 

Yup, and such a really important regulation, too! How oppressed and stifled my life was before! How crushed under the undemocratic yoke of the EU, that I was not free to buy a banana of unclassified shape, grade or quality without such bureaucratic interference (even though I was, but it's all about the feels, you know?)!

Seriously, all the economic and political chaos for the next decade, the £400 million a week spent; the uncertainty for EU families in the UK and UK families in the EU, all totally worth it for my banana freedoms.

 

It is in short also why trade deals are never as comprehensive as what EU membership entails.

Negotiator A:
"It would be too hard to get an agreement on car insurance"
Negotiator B:
"It would be too hard to get an agreement on how much rat faeces can be in oat"
Result?
Entire agriculture and insurance sector excluded from Trade deal

 

Exactly - the FDA allow upto 9 rodent "excreta" per kg of wheat. That's just one example from over 100.

I'd like that to have tougher regulatioms thankyouverymuch.

 

Well...

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You know people will still be saying the EU always blinks at the 11th hour right up to 11pm on the 29th, right?

Knowing MPs though they'll probably say they thought they had until midnight.

 

True. There is already a narrative forming that after the UK has left on the 29th with no deal, it will be in a stronger negotiating position as an independent country, and following the European elections the EU economy will be in such a poor state it will be more amenable to concede to the UK's demands.

Monty Python's Black Knight after all his limbs have been chopped off: "I've got you on the run now! Come back, you coward!"

 

It's hard to imagine a way in which Maybot and her revolving selection of useless dickheads could have made a bigger mess of this.

 

I guess they could have put a glacé cherry on top.