E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

What the actual ****

I actually get it in theory, and it's not "imperialist" or jingoistic at all - the lyrics are progressive and inclusive. It's in the same vein as the farcical 'woke' advertising phenomenon. It's political pandering.

The thing is, Boris' government aren't socially progressive or inclusive, and much of their voter base is socially conservative. Hence the chorus, which on paper is neutral but if you want to see jingoistic flag-waving sentiment, you can squint and see that. The hope, I'm sure, was that social conservatives and patriotic types would focus on that bit, and feel appeased, and social progressives would see the "include everyone" woke verses, and feel appeased. Have your cake and eat it, without having to actually enact any policies one way or the other.

Their error is drastically underestimating the entrenched skepticism and hostility of both groups: the conservatives will see the woke verses as a sell-out pandering effort, and the progressives will see the jingoistic flag-waving chorus as a sell-out pandering effort.

It's so tone-deaf and robot-logic autistic that I can't help wondering if Microsoft was involved somehow.

 

One great team? What is this, communism? With Dowden demanding museums don't make political appointments but Osborne getting the top job at the British Museum, and that MP campaigning for a picture of the Queen to be sent to every household, it feels more and more like I'm taking crazy pills.

 

Well, it was just gone because of EU Regulation (EU) No 531/2012, amended by Regulation (EEC) No 2015/2120 & Regulation (EU) No 2017/920. No longer being part of the EU seems to have a few downsides.

 

But now we won't be paying for roaming in our contracts so contracts will be cheaper now right.
*tumbleweed*
Right?!
*tumbleweed*
Hopefully 3 don't follow.

 

If it reverses the race to the bottom then it'll be right https://inews.co.uk/news/british-lo...-hellhole-service-stations-no-toilets-1065879

 

Yea, fingers crossed. Hopefully since they've offered it before and in other locations 3 will stick to it but it just limits my choice now. Was considering switching off them, now that's less likely.
Reducing the number of options when looking at a new contract will save me time though, so, #BrexitBonus I guess......

 

This is one of the pro-Brexit speculations I've heard from people who actually voted Remain at the time: that it'll be a bitter pill to swallow - everything will get worse, everything will get more expensive - but that maybe, in the long-term, it will force an increase in wages in a lot of basic jobs that are currently underpaid, filling the positions with British people who currently avoid them.

I can see it going the other way, though. If the economy suffers enough, and if the Tories stay in, there'll be cutbacks to benefits, and increased unemployment from other sectors, which will make people more desperate for work where they can get it and lower their jobseeking standards. So in jobs like freight we might just replace a mistreated, underpaid underclass of foreigners with a mistreated, underpaid underclass of British people.

 

I think the thrust of the optimism was that it'd mean a more local and nationalistic economy that involves less long-distance travel, less import/export, more local production, more local businesses, less commute, less migratory work. Things getting more expensive, less disposable income all around, but a price worth paying for a nation less enmeshed in international exchanges of goods and services, with lower unemployment and increased quality of life for workers. But it won't happen that way, because the government won't sacrifice popularity for long-term benefits.

Edit - and also because we literally cannot produce many of the things we need and expect, like foreign foodstuffs, engineering and tech.

 

Edit - disregard, I shouldn't post before my morning coffee

 

EU news: Plot to take British citizens is 'severe threat' - Boris warned 'it's serious' | Politics | News | Express.co.uk



Leavers: "If you like the EU so much, why don't you just sod off and go live over there?!"

Also Leavers: "Wait, where are you going?!"

 

"F*** off already you filthy remoaner traitors"
5 seconds later:
"No, not like that."

 

That was always one of the more progressive-friendly arguments against points-based, or meritocratic, immigration, wasn't it? That it essentially deprives the donor nations of their most valuable and employable citizens by allowing and encouraging them to go elsewhere, while discriminating against less economically useful/unskilled people by denying them movement. Now our anti-immigration stance may cause the same thing to happen in reverse. Curious.

Still reading the unabomber manifesto at the moment, and he argues that political and social systems are so complex that it is impossible to make a large change and predict the results. (Kind of like a political version of the N-body problem.) I didn't think about it in these terms at the time of the Brexit vote but if I had, this would have been another less ethical and purely rational reason to vote Remain: if drastic systemic change is unpredictable, then any speculations about the effects is bollocks.

 

Offtopic, I know, but if you like that kind of problem: read Liu Cixin's brilliant Three-body Problem.

 

****ing lol.

 

OK, this Brexit thing is getting serious now:

UK food worker shortages push prices up and risk Christmas turkey supplies | Food & drink industry | The Guardian