1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

News Stop with the ego-centric flame wars

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by WilHarris, 14 Feb 2006.

  1. WilHarris

    WilHarris Just another nobody Moderator

    Joined:
    16 Jun 2001
    Posts:
    2,679
    Likes Received:
    2
  2. Nexxo

    Nexxo * Prefab Sprout – The King of Rock 'n' Roll

    Joined:
    23 Oct 2001
    Posts:
    34,731
    Likes Received:
    2,210
    I can believe that! :D
     
  3. Kasrkin Guard

    Kasrkin Guard What's a Dremel?

    Joined:
    19 Mar 2005
    Posts:
    73
    Likes Received:
    0
    I could believe that line of thought, however there are some that will always be looking to flame bait anyways.. So in those cases, it won't really matter as I see it whatever the tone is. It still wouldn't stop the flamebaiters. Many will always argue for however long to come.
     
    Last edited: 14 Feb 2006
  4. Nexxo

    Nexxo * Prefab Sprout – The King of Rock 'n' Roll

    Joined:
    23 Oct 2001
    Posts:
    34,731
    Likes Received:
    2,210
    The emotional valence of written text is notoriously difficult to interpret though, unless it is made explicit. This is why smilies came into use... :)

    Meta-communication (communication about communication) is the tricky bit. Face-toface we can use facial expression, tone of voice, gesture, posture, pattern and pace of speech (in fact, remember that 93% of communication is non-verbal) that we cannot resort to in text-based communication. We have smilies to help us along, but some geexperts have proposed that HTML should have emotional Meta-tags to convey the mood or feeling of a certain text. In this respect, on the forums we sometimes notice the creative use of emotional tags such as : [SARCASM] [/SARCASM] or other clever ways of trying to convey emotional and other meta-communicative context.

    Basically, writing (or at least, writing in a clear, expressive and intelligible way) is a skill. Writing on forums, I find, is a particular skill because the reader can (and will) respond and interact with the writer. You get a sort of emotional engagement that you don't get if you just write a text and remain blissfully unaware of how the reader reacts to that. So demands are made on a complex mix of verbal intellectual reasoning ability and social skill and expressiveness. Some people can clearly be seen to be possessing both, some to possess one but not the other, some to (painfully) obviously lack both.

    As for flame-baiters: just because someone invites you to a game, does not mean you have to join in. ;) The best way to deal with flame baiters is to collectively ignore them.
     
    Last edited: 14 Feb 2006
  5. The_Pope

    The_Pope Geoff Richards Super Moderator

    Joined:
    3 Jul 2003
    Posts:
    3,059
    Likes Received:
    183
    LOL - I've been spouting this theory for years now /ego :D
     
  6. specofdust

    specofdust Banned

    Joined:
    26 Feb 2005
    Posts:
    9,571
    Likes Received:
    168
    Beg to differ, the best way to deal with them, is to goto hollywood, pick up your movie check, then fly around the country beating the living crap outta every single one that slags you off :D

    /movie reference
     
  7. MonkeyTurnip

    MonkeyTurnip What's a Dremel?

    Joined:
    23 Aug 2005
    Posts:
    697
    Likes Received:
    5
    I like the photo very cute.

    i do wonder if i am fully understanding what someone writes and what emotion is sposidly used to understand it properly.
     
  8. Nexxo

    Nexxo * Prefab Sprout – The King of Rock 'n' Roll

    Joined:
    23 Oct 2001
    Posts:
    34,731
    Likes Received:
    2,210
    Perhaps we should have a "mood status at posting" in the left-hand Avatar pane.

    Sort of like this:

    [​IMG]

    :D
     
  9. Adnuo

    Adnuo Banned

    Joined:
    28 Aug 2005
    Posts:
    489
    Likes Received:
    0
    I can vouch for my mood affecting how I read certain posts or emails...

    ...or IRC conversations :D
     
  10. Shadowed_fury

    Shadowed_fury Minimodder

    Joined:
    21 Nov 2003
    Posts:
    7,506
    Likes Received:
    21
    Yes! We need that! :D
     
  11. specofdust

    specofdust Banned

    Joined:
    26 Feb 2005
    Posts:
    9,571
    Likes Received:
    168
    I actually really like that idea Nexxo, I'd be surprised if its possible to implement, but its a great idea :D
     
  12. I_Slider_I

    I_Slider_I What's a Dremel?

    Joined:
    31 Oct 2005
    Posts:
    88
    Likes Received:
    0
    I think that would leave it up to the writer to tell you what type of mood he/she is in, which is often a difficult task for some people. [screams] I AM NOT IN A BAD MOOD [/screams]

    *sheepeshly looks at the ground*

    Ok well maybe I am... :)
     
  13. kiljoi

    kiljoi I *am* a computer king.

    Joined:
    13 Oct 2003
    Posts:
    2,301
    Likes Received:
    0
    Nice idea Nexxo. Also, for a superb demonstration of this, hop onto irc. I don't think I've ever seen so many things get taken the wrong way.
     
  14. Shadowed_fury

    Shadowed_fury Minimodder

    Joined:
    21 Nov 2003
    Posts:
    7,506
    Likes Received:
    21
    But in IRC, its hellishly funny at the same time :worried:
     
  15. cpemma

    cpemma Ecky thump

    Joined:
    27 Nov 2001
    Posts:
    12,328
    Likes Received:
    55
    I take what you're saying on-board, but it does spoil the joke. I love dead-pan humour, adding an <IRONY> or <SARCASM> tag to an already OTT remark gives the game away too easily. A few web articles have caused outraged criticism here and elsewhere until some kind soul has pointed out the spoof indicators.

    However, with some people and even nations (I'm thinking of the Swiss, not just the Americans and Dutch) irony goes down like a lead balloon, so I'd better add a ;) as and when. ;)
     
  16. LoneArchon

    LoneArchon What's a Dremel?

    Joined:
    15 Jun 2004
    Posts:
    425
    Likes Received:
    0
    I think the tags in the side would help out. The amount flaming here is not that high compared to other sites. I believe what account for a lot of it is the type patrons the site attracts. In other forms i seen really bad levels of flaming
     
  17. Nexxo

    Nexxo * Prefab Sprout – The King of Rock 'n' Roll

    Joined:
    23 Oct 2001
    Posts:
    34,731
    Likes Received:
    2,210
    The Mood at time of Post tags are not really a serious proposition, guys... :worried: I was joking. Hence the :D smiley...
     
  18. Highland3r

    Highland3r Minimodder

    Joined:
    25 Jul 2003
    Posts:
    7,559
    Likes Received:
    16
    Interesting read tbh... Kinda why I try and use smilies where ever possible either when sending text based messages (email/sms/IM etc...)
     
Tags: Add Tags

Share This Page