I wonder how much you know about the history of the symbol you use as a your av? Glass houses and all that.
Wow, I'm gone for a day and this thread already has reached a resolution and an entirely new point. We've gone from Spec and Nexxo complete with armies chewing on each other to the rather startling and surprising outcome of Nexxo AGREEING with spec. Then we have a self-confessed metal-faced dredlock wearer actually agreeing with them both. And in the meantime, a bunch of trolls who would not read the thread for the life of them (what, too many big words?) chiming in. Before I let this go back off topic, I just wanted to address Supermonkey's questions: 1) How does a pantsuit mean less professional than a skirt? It's the same thing as me wearing a sportcoat, tie, and dress slacks. That's not the same as a full-on suit, it's the next rung down. It's not quite business casual like chinos and a polo. But it's also not a suit. Just like a t-shirt with a picture of a tuxedo is not the same as wearing one, and does not constitute "formalwear." 2) How do women clients feel about this? Like they're dealing with a more professional office. About 70% of our clients are women, and most of them are retired self-made millionaires who ended up with the husband being the one who stays at home. Some of them were professionals, others were just that good at saving, others worked in high-paying but low public-contact sectors and wore jeans to work daily. I've yet to have one say anything less than positive about our dress code, though I do often get compliments on how professional our staff appear at all times. In some ways, it's a notch in the belt of equality - women are held to the same "professional dress" standard as the men. And before someone says "yeah, but the men don't show up in a skirt!" - there are different gender rules to the same class of attire. Back to the formalwear, a woman in a tux is still a bit of an oddity, innit? Women wear evening gowns to formal events, and men don't usually wear chandelier earrings and a big necklace. Believe it or not, the skirt is not some horrible male invention meant to illustrate the weakness of women. If you'd care to argue with that point, I'm sure the men across Scotland would be pleased to offer a few words. Equality and freedom are not about creating a world of androgeny and political correctness. They're about appreciating inherent diversity in others and accepting consequences for our own actions.
While there are many things the Soviet Union did that I do not agree with, the hammer and sickle is not only a symbol of the USSR, but a symbol of communism/socialism in general. The Soviet Union was far from pure socialism. In fact I believe Stalin was more of fascist than a socialist. The USSR after Lenin's death strayed from its original philosophy a great deal.
We're not. We're simply only allowing people who do their jobs to be employed. Would you rather people can pick and choose which parts of their work they do? Right, so the majority should dictate what happens at the expense of the minority? Throughout this thread I've described a free system in which the rights of everyone are respected. But if we're only to respect the rights of what the majority feel like - well now...To bring up a nice example, the long term unemployed form a minority of the population. They leech of the majority every day, and yet they don't go out and get a job. If the majority decide to just be done with it and have them all killed is that ok? I suggest you look into the concept of "tyranny of the majority". A liberal democracy does not simply follow mob rule - it guarentees rights to all citizens. I never said I found any accents offensive. Some accents are considered to be annoying, or unpleasent to listen to and so people who have these accents will not be employed at certain establishments, because an ideal business will employ people with accents that are enjoyable for the majority of their customers to listen to, not annoying. I too have respect for other cultures and adore many foreign accents. That's because you either have very little understanding of what a neo-nazi is, or very little understanding of the views I am expressing. See the second part of the above response. You also might do some research into negative liberty, if you're genuinely interested in learning. It wasn't an attitude, it was a statement of opinion. How many millionarie Neds or Chavs do we all know? Didn't think so.... Do you actually understand what I've been saying here? It would really appear you simply do not comprehend what I'm saying. I didn't say I supported racism (in fact I believe I explained that I find it pointless and petty) - I said I supported the rights of a shop owner not to serve anyone they choose not to serve. If a shop owner chooses not to serve any black person, or any woman, or any man, or to turn away every third customer who comes to their store that is their right. You write, while using a computer (brought to you by capitalism) on a forum (brought to you by capitalism) over the internet (brought to you by capitalism). If you honestly think that capitalism, and not people, are the source of all evil in the world then I suspect you're either monumentally stupid, or a teenager. Tax dollars? You might want to extend some of that "respecting other cultures" to learning that the whole world doesn't use the United States Dollar . The Queen does not claim any God-given right to be queen, the queen need claim nothing because she is the Queen. Her existance continues because she is a tourist attraction and she doesn't really cost very much. Getting rid of the queen would make very little difference the country, besides slightly impeding the tourism industry. Yeah, we kicked ass. And the US has nothing on the British Empire in it's day. That said, look at our colonies and compare them to how relatively nearby countries are doing. Compare Canada to the only other north american country we didn't populate (mexico). Compare India to Burma (myanmar). Compare Austrailia to Indonesia. Worse empires have existed. But then I suppose as a Supreme Soviet Socialist Republic supporter it would be awkward for you if we talked about the soviet empire which was run by military might? You need to do a lot of reading.
Ah but the cccp thats the kicker mate. Besides all that, communism is inextricably linked to the Soviet Union and all the merry things it did just as Capitalism is linked with all the jovial things the west gets up to. So regardless of how you would like your av to be taken its all about appearances. See what i did there, back on topic edit: bah my post was pwned.
He's not doing that. She's being punished for looking stupid in a line of work where appearance is important, she could've done something else for charity. Good for you, I don't. Cheers Destory the rights of the minority for the rights of the majority, what a great idea. I doubt spec finds other people's accents offensive, after all he is a Scot. And you're a dirty communist. And you want to trash the rights of the minority for the majority? People have the right to fire whom they want as long as it's for something they can help. Where is he being racist? Do you know what racism is? He didn't say he wanted all shops to turn away black men, he said he supported the right for them to do so. There is a big difference. Right, the millions Stalin and Mao killed was all down to capitalism. How do you even define evil? It's not a definition set in stone.
Hang on you state you have respect for other peoples cultures and accents and then 4 sentences later begin to slander the queen and royalty (god bless her LOL).... could be a slight contradiction there..
Thanks for the responses, Da Dego. I'll address them in order: That seems a bit arbitrary. It almost seems like it has less to do with the type of garment, and more so with the choice of fabric. Why can't a woman wear a proper 3-piece suit, made from the same fabric and of the same design as a man's suit? I still get the feeling that requiring women to wear a skirt is a step back in equality. That's interesting. I think I'm missing something, though, because I just can't get my head around it. These are progressive women; they are self-made millionaires who reversed the traditional gender roles (the husband stayed at home while the wife worked!), and in some cases they even wore jeans to work. While they may be complimentary to the dress code you've chosen to enforce, they don't strike me as the type of women who would frown on the idea of your secretary wearing pants. Would you allow a male employee to wear a kilt? I don't think the woman in the article is picking and choosing which parts of her work she is doing. As far as I can tell, she still is perfectly capable of performing her job. Although you could measure her performance when it comes to delivering food in a timely manner, checking up on customers, and knowledge of the menu items, whether or not a woman looks professional with a bald head is a completely subjective opinion. -monkey
Wow...just...wow. iluvtrees2, can I ask in a very non-trolling way how old you are? I'm afraid that some of the views you describe are kind of...myopic, for lack of a better word. It's quite disconcerting and it illustrates how little our citizens bother to understand the world outside of their backyard. I question the efficiency of MY tax dollars at work, should you be older than about 15-16...I'd hope that the educational system of our country produced a little more well-balanced view. For instance, for all your "symbolism of socialism/communism", have you BEEN to China? Have you SEEN the horrors it's wrought? Because I have. Just last year, I got to explain to my translator that Tiennenman Square (while I stood on it) really didn't end "happily" and that students were killed. It's a nice monument - to the Chinese government, not the students, of course...that event didn't really happen according to them. In fact, she didn't even know anyone even died. Her history books contain two lines about the massacre and any website that explains it is filtered out. Actual Functional communism requires a lot more than just everyone getting a flower and a monthly check in the mail - it's filled with megalomaniacal despots, information control and racism/classism that your cushy Lennon-loving First-world life couldn't even begin to comprehend. Even the best examples of working communism were little more than a thinly veiled caste system. Peace, love and prosperity for all, my ass. Now, if you've not had a lot of history, then I commend you for entering in this conversation and encourage you to do some reading up, because the separation of ideals and realities is a necessary step in understanding anything at a more critical level, such as the argument of capitalism vs. social norms vs. prejudices. However, I have a feeling I'm wasting my breath...
Well written all, still enjoying reading this debate. Although I wonder who is just trolling and if people really think this way. Michael Carroll, what a tard. That man alone could trigger a whole new wave of annoyance.
Interesting example that one. He won the lottery. I think it's fairly safe to say on that evidence that the chances of there being a millionaire ned is on par with the chances of any one ned winning the lottery - currently running at 1 in 14,000,000 (one in fourteen million)
-1 I take back my previous comment, this is just amazing. I hope this thread never ends, the past 2 nights I have been reading this when I get bored as I know I am going to be entertained. Also Iluvtrees2, your views and understanding of certain political movements and ideologies leave a lot to be desired.
I thought the Bit-tech forums were all happy and united 'til I stepped into this warzone. I mean, wow. Its really shown the true colours of some of the users. Specofdust, I agree with most of the things you say, but man... The way you say them is a little harsh. "You canadians" and "silly country" Perhaps you should step down a bit before it gets a little out of hand. Alot of people can misintepret what you're saying as being completely moronic for the way you're "assaulting" other users (countries, even) in this forum. The same goes for a couple of others in the topic too. But my opinion is this: I would have probably layed off the girl from work until her hair grew back to an appropriate length. I think I would pay her whilst she was off work too, considering the circumstances that it was for charity. I mean, the main objective of the manager is to keep his customers happy and respected. So, if complaints were coming through about the girl, then she would be removed from the work place. But firing her? No way, thats a little out of line. Leaving her with no work, because she did something for a good cause would be too much of a terrible thing for me to do. Im sure the other employees (the girls friends) wouldnt be too happy either. Infact, I think over here in the UK it would be illegal to fire her, im not exactly sure. Firing someone over discrimination of someones appearance feels like it would be something as similar as firing someone over their race, or gender which im certainly sure is illegal to do. But anyway, lemme know what you think of my opinion.
Dude, this is Bit-Tech. Watching specofdust laugh while people call him names comes second only to the video card reviews. Some days I forget that the site has other forums. -monkey
I have to admit, i've mainly wondered around in the gaming section on this forum. But I guess this thread is a little hilarious if you look at it from a certain point of view. Lol.
All we need now is Nexxo's view on iluvtrees2 to inflict the killing blow... good picture btw Ramble, made me lol.
Spec Of Dust = I'm alright jack! If people thought like you did in the 1940's we would all be goose stepping now. You have no idea of community or interest in others. You are a despicable piece of work with no respect for others countries or beliefs, who I can guarantee would change his opinions and attitude in a heartbeat without the 'bravery of being out of range'. Is that ^ some kind of a threat? Absolutely not, I wouldn't relieve myself on you if you were on fire. I hope you die of a wasting disease while all those around you simply can't be arsed to take an interest and I hope it hurts Most other people on this forum can be recognised as human ( possibly even myself ), but you.....you are clearly broken and I pity you.
7/10 Not a bad effort. One can see the wheels turned to get this one out. It just lacked that certain je ne se quoi - perhaps it needed a better parting shot than compassion? Anyway, better luck next time! Also, I too pity you. For you've just demonstrated to everyone in this thread smart enough to understand the arguments, that you do not, and are not.
