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I don't. I care what they constantly try to tell me to use, especially when they're attempting to do so with baseless arguments which have more to do with politics than technology and are based on almost complete ignorance of my use case.

And yes, they do this constantly. It is impossible to be a linux user and a windows user without being the constant target of this, so I'm fully aware that you know exactly what I mean, and no, I don't feel under any particular obligation to be polite about it anymore. I've tried to be helpful, I've tried to be nice, I've tried to get involved with open source projects and lend my expertise. Politeness doesn't work. Now, something at some point happened to make me feel this way about it. You know the community and you know how the people in it behave. You work out what.

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The world needs a safe and secure OS. Safe from hackers, safe from spies, safe from vulnerabilities.

Personally I find it hard to believe that so many serious, or potentially serious, bugs and vulnerabilities get found so often.

Can it really be so hard to have created operating systems so long ago, and the OS's are still providing access to every Tom, DICK and Harry who wants our data for whatever horrid reasons???

I just ... find it so friggin hard to believe.

 

But we don't just want our systems to be secure from hackers, we also want it to not ask us for a password every time we want to open a file, change a setting or connect to a wifi. We want USB devices to automatically be detected.We want disks that automatically start when we insert them. We expect it to be secure while maintaining maximum convenience for us. Not only that but we also want it to use minimal resources, be backwards compatible with all programs from the last 20 years and respond to everything immediately. Sure we could create a system that is secure, most toasters and kettles don't get viruses (and they sometimes include microchips now too), but that isn;t a type of system we want to use. So we need to strike a balance between functionality and security. Operating systems are incredibly complex involving millions of lines of code written over multiple years. At some point a new scenario will be exploited that just wasn't thought about or even possible at the time that code was written. People make mistakes, programmers too.

 

Sure some people always think they know best. Some people will always tell people what to do, not only windows and linux users but users of every program, politicians, the media, everyone else. That doesn't mean everyone in a certain group is the same. Not all linux users will try to 'convert' others, neither will all windows or all mac users. Some will, but by no means all. But just because some people of a particular group try to influence you, doesn't mean you should hate them all. I've met people of every camp trying to tell me operating system x is better, and people of every camp who respect my choice. It's just a matter of ignoring the idiots, trolls and fanboys/girls.

 

Yeah, but Adidas isn't stupid (they may be evil), but Linux is pretty stupid. Or more to the point, its users are generally are, which in a situation where the users and the developers overlap to such an enormous degree is more or less the same thing.

I don't feel under much pressure to give you what we might call evidence, to start listing recent instances of what we might call linux zealot encounters for you to pick apart because I'm fully aware that you know full well how linux people tend to react to anyone outside their clique. I'm not going to play that game. Suffice to say that I occasionally - when I can't reasonably avoid it - run open source software under windows and occasionally I need support, and I am invariably told that I should ditch After Effects and start using kdenlive under [insert fashionable distro-o-the-week-here].

So yes, I'm fed up with being told off by people with neither knowledge, professional experience or life experience, and I make no apology whatsoever for my robust response. These people are idiots, idiots whose opinions bear even the slightest weight only becuase they seem to be common to the overwhelming majority of linux people.

What I'm doing to you is what linux users do to literally everyone else. If you don't like it, start being part of the solution.

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Two things

Incorrect. I do use both and have never experienced anything of which you claim.

Also incorrect, I am part of literally everyone else and never had any of this done to me ergo it cannot apply to literally everyone else.

In all seriousness I think there must be more at work here than a mere operating system and, with all sincerity, I hope you resolve it.

 

This made me chuckle
My toaster has been ejecting too early recently ...

But yes, just a matter of time before the 'integrated home' which is accessible remotely, is hacked to high heaven.

I don't agree that offering the public new wonderful ways of computing should be the answer to: why can't we have a secure OS?

The OS should be secure first and foremost and grow while remaining secure.

 

Given the choice between convenience and security, convenience wins in the eyes of most users... these same users then whine when nekkid pictures of them end up on internet... [not defending apple/blaming those affected, i have first hand knowledge of what a gigantic cluster**** icloud is...]

 

What that should really say is:

Because of that you go off and offend all linux users, meaning the previously reasonable users who you don't notice simply because they kept out of such arguments get pulled in to the vocal hater group as well. They do the same thing as you: one subgroup of windows users offends them so they offend the all windows users. They problem just escalates.

Really this says it all

And any Linux user who now turns from reasonable to a hater can say the same thing. They now have the excuse to hate back. If we fight fire with fire the problem grows exponentially; if every time one person gets offended they offend two others in turn with the justification "they started it" it's never going to end. If we stop passing it on it dies down.

What is the solution then? Start behaving in exactly the way that others are and that annoys you? That isn't a solution, it's just a poor justification for petty tit for tat "but they started it" attacks on others.

Windows and Linux users can work together if they want to, I've seen it done. I do it only a daily basis. I use both Linux and Windows and work together with others who use one or the other, or both as well, without a problem. People just need to grow up, gain some tolerance and stop generalising groups of people. No operating system is simply "better" than an other, it's all a matter of taste. You can't generalise everyone in a user group. Both (and all other) groups have idiots in them, unfortunately those people are often the most vocal, but that doesn't mean they're the only ones that exist, we just don't notice the others as easily. Tolerance and simply ignoring people who offend you is the only solution. Everything else is just giving everyone an excuse to carry on.

 

there are Linux (jehovas) users out there, that do try to tell you how much better Linux is than windows, I have experienced it, I usually tell them I am quite happy using windows and that they won't convert me. edit: there are windows equivalents as well

like someone else said though, I don't really care what someone else uses, that's up to them, when I am asked about macs as a machine, I just say they are a tool the same as a windows pc, I say they do the same jobs, but you do pay more for macs, I also point out that macs are more or less a closed system (hardware wise) so they don't have to make mac os work with billions of different combinations of hardware, whereas windows pc's can and do vary in the billions. I think Linux also has the same problem as windows pc's in that there could be billions of combinations of hardware, except, it probably doesn't have the number of different drivers windows pcs have, i'm not saying Linux won't have all the drivers required, its just harder to find them

 

Put some damn clothes on then.

 

You claim on a public forum that Linux users are generally stupid and then you are surprised if they don't roll out the red carpet for you and kiss your butt wherever you go?

 

http://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/26/apple-os-x-users-safe-bash-flaw-update-soon/

Apple seem to be fairly bullish on their response to this:

I do wonder what they mean by "advanced UNIX services" though. Obviously I can see this having a much bigger impact on the vast majority of web servers and indeed company servers.

 

Gareth how you can even get the effort to reply to him is beyond me. Every post loosely relating to Linux he appears..