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  1. theshadow2001

    theshadow2001 [DELETE] means [DELETE]

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    Well thats, fair enough. On the other hand any news I read seems to be written by people who have a greater knowledge than how to regurgitate a press release.
     
  2. Gareth Halfacree

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    Y'see? It would even drive entrepreneurialism!
    And that's a problem?
    Ta-da!
    Given your numerical-blockquoting and my multi-quoting, I'd be amazed if anyone other than us two read any of what we're posting right now...
    So you're willing to give up both your cars, and doing so won't affect you in any way? A convert, brothers and sisters! A convert!
    But the dents shall ever remain. Or, y'know, permanent ink.
    We clearly associate with very different elements...
    Speaking of washing stuff off the car...
    You're clearly not reading any mainstream newspapers, then. Oh, sure, the lead story will be by "our political correspondent" or "our war correspondent," but the rest of the stuff? You'll find no subject matter experts there, I can assure you.

    EDIT: Like this fake press release about losing weight through eating chocolate, which was republished by newspapers all over the world - even though anyone who knew anything about diet, nutrition, or metabolism, or even who bothered to ask anyone who knew anything about diet, nutrition, or metabolism, would have smelt a chocolate-flavoured rat a mile away.
     
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  3. theshadow2001

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    No, typically I don't read news papers. I've seen the chocolate thing. It was pretty bad all around. I guess it shows you need to vet the "journalist" as much as the info you read.
     
  4. alf-

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    As someone who doesn't drive, taxi fares better come down a fair bit otherwise this utopia is gonna to leave me pretty skint.
     
  5. Gareth Halfacree

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    Except, of course, it will vary. Journalist A may have an in-depth knowledge of local governmental procedure and write a great, detailed report on the topic on Monday; on Tuesday, though, Journalist A will be asked to write up a proposed new superhighway running through the town centre.

    It's different in the specialist press, of course. It's a strange day if the news I'm writing 'ere doesn't have at least some tenuous connection to a topic I can boast at least conversational knowledge of. I'm lucky like that. Especially now I don't write about cars any more, this thread notwithstanding. (Oh, and the occasional piece on 'ere about Google's self-driving wotsits or Nvidia's new automotive whosit, but they're less about the car and more about the technology strapped to the car.)
    Could go either way: either the increased demand will drive prices down through economies of scale (a taxi driver who is currently only 50% utilised may be 90% utilised, so needs to charge each customer less to make up the time he spends parked and waiting) or it would drive prices up through scarcity of supply.

    The important part, though, would be improved public transport networks. I rarely use a taxi, 'cos I'm lucky enough to live a hundred yards away from a bus stop with buses going to the train and bus station in town every ten minutes. If everyone lived a hundred yards away from such a bus stop, and the buses went useful places like the shops, the train station, and the pub, they wouldn't need taxis (or their own privately-owned car) so often.
     
  6. liratheal

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    1; I'm not sure about that. Have to get all sorts of clowns around to test the noise pollution, some fire safety guy probably, pain in the arse.

    2: If they can't afford a truck it sure is. I believe some rally stages use public roads (closed, of course), but what the legality of that would be is another mystery.

    3: I'm not sold on that one, really.

    4: Other people pff. Hippy.

    5: Work would reclassify my job I expect, I'd probably get a little certificate and a sticker back in my car window to replace the tax disc holder that was there. And I'd carry on polluting and running kids down.

    6: Maybe paintballs filled with nitromors. As a compromise.

    7: Very probably. One of my friends was on a suspended sentence for throwing a store security guard through a shelving unit, so yeah, maybe.

    8: Washing? Scraping more like.
     
  7. alf-

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    I too live near public transport, so i would be relatively fine, but i can't see how utopian public transport would be a viable replacement for private ownership for people living in the country.

    And on thoughts of utopian of public transport, would it even be necessary to ban private ownership if such a thing existed.
     
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  8. Gareth Halfacree

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    So you're saying it would create jobs for all these testing and safety people? This gets better and better!
    If the road has been closed, it's not a public road until it's opened again - otherwise it wouldn't be closed. Simple, really.
    Hey, you're the one who said that leasing companies don't deal in RS models. Don't pout when I point you to a leasing company that deals in exactly that.
    Peace, love, and Linux, man.
    But on roads filled with far fewer vehicles, and even fewer idiots who run red lights and all the other things you hate. Sounds nice, no?
    Yeah, that'd work.
    Well, that's horrible. You have my sympathy.
    Sluicing? Issa good word, "sluicing."
    Why not? I holiday in Bradwell, a small village in Derbyshire, and get around on public transport there - and that's not even some future utopian ideal, that's on the buses and trains they currently run. I get there by train, too, for that matter.

    Yes, because there will always be people who would rather be seen dead than take the bus.
     
  9. liratheal

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    1: I've dealt with fire safety people. They're assholes to a man in my experience.

    2: Never had to close one, so I guess I've never been interested enough to look. but that makes sense.

    3: True - I'm pouting because I'm regretting not being more specific.

    4: Weirdo. Petrol, explosions and Windows.

    5: Next stop would be stopping the cyclists doing the same thing. I wish it wasn't illegal to run them down when they don't give way as they're supposed to.

    6: He's a nice bloke. Just not got much of a fuse and a reasonable amount of upper body strength. We paint toy soldiers.

    7: This is why you're a journalist and I'm an environment murderer.

    Edit: Also, I've smelt people on buses. No ta.
     
  10. Gareth Halfacree

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    But are you on fire right now? No? The system works!
    It does, which almost certainly means that's not how it works, 'cos when was the last time a law made sense?
    Hah!
    Can we meet in the middle with biodiesel, fireworks, and OS X?
    At no point did I suggest that the red-light Gatling guns would target only cars: if you're a vehicle and you go through the red, you're getting perforated, and push-bikes are no exception. (Naturally, you'd have some system that would stop emergency vehicles getting shot up when they're running the blues-'n-twos. Or just fit 'em with armour. Whichever's cheapest.)
    Pretty sure nice blokes don't throw security guards into shelving units. Were you perhaps looking for a different word?
    "Sluicing." Wonder how I can work that into tomorrow's articles?
    What, eu de Pound Bakery? You get used to it, honest.
     
  11. alf-

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    I wouldn't call living in a village with transport links isn't really the same as living in the country.

    what I'm trying to get at is, banning private ownership altogether is hasty even in a a hypothetical setting.

    If public transport was able to reach the majority of people and offered a superior experience, road use by private ownership would fall, sure there would be stubborn people who would still drive, but the 57% of people who currently travel to work by car, that number would surely plummet if utopian public transport (heck, even decent) existed.
     
  12. Behemoth

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    The issue with registration plates on bikes is where would you apply it or put it on ?

    I have no issue with someone wanting to be green and to be fit but at the very least they should accept responsibility if they have caused a collision (usually due to them not being seen but in some cases yes I agree drivers just not taking extra time to look) or damage to someones car.

    Round here the cycle lanes are joke, on beach road I think it is there is a cycle lane that run alongside the road - the issues people park their cars on the cycle lane meaning cyclists have to go round the cars leaving them at risk of getting hurt etc. I'm all for cycle lanes but if they don't work, whats the point ?
     
  13. theshadow2001

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    My vision of the future is electric cars that you do drive manually on minor roads, housing estates or what have you, which then sit into an automated road infrastructure on main roads. The cars would be centrally guided and regulated, traffic would be managed again centrally. The driver would do nothing basically only driving to and from a join point on the system. The driver would be in charge of maintenance and up keep of their own car as well, the public entity would manage the control system and up keep of the infrastructure.

    It's public transport except its always available and offers personal space for passengers and the flexibility to go where the central system doesn't actually cover. A person could travel at whatever times a they need to, rather than being told when they can travel by a public transport timetable. The google car is based around an automated car in a manual world. But really I think you need central control and all cars automated.

    So basically its minority report transport. But I think that that would be the best solution to personal transport.
     
  14. Gareth Halfacree

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    Do want.

    Interestingly, this is basically the approach of the SARTRE project I mentioned writing about up-thread. The idea is that you have seemingly normal cars, but when you enter a motorway you find the nearest artic and hit a button. Boom: your car follows the artic close behind. Cars then can come in behind you, and you all follow the artic. When it brakes, your car brakes; when it steers, your car steers (modulo the delay you'd need so you're steering at the same point in the road.)

    The idea behind it is that the vehicles are under the control of a professional driver, so in theory there are fewer accidents; the vehicles are closer together than would be possible under manual control, so the road is more efficiently utilised; and the vehicles are in each other's slip-streams, making them run more efficiently and use less fuel. Plus, of course, the drivers of the following vehicles are free to eat, read, do their makeup, have a quick bout of self-gratification to relieve stress, whatever. It's a really interesting project and has been actively trialled: you can read more on the official website.
     
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    I remember reading about that along time ago. The key to what I have suggested is central control. That would mean traffic management to determine optimum speeds for vehicles, optimal route selection things like that as the system would know your position and destination and everyone else's. Also traffic lights or the equivalent intersection management would be integrated making it much smarter. I'm sure the spooks would love such a system too :).

    Things like the project you have pointed out and the google cars are all important technologies. But they don't solve the full problem on their own. There needs to be higher level integration to really make the world and transport efficient, quick and safe.
     
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    1: Actually, there is a very small fire in my knee-region.

    2: Laws make lots of sense! Except most of the time.

    3: I dunno. OS X is a bit of a sticking point. I'd rather use fire ants and golden syrup.

    4: Oh, well, if it's after cyclists then that's fine. Armour's probably best, what with cars not being as bulletproof as the movies make them look.

    5: I dunno. He's all cleaned up and actually a professional driver by the current road laws, so.

    6: I'm not sure that I want to get used to that smell.

    Same way motorcycles are. Half-length double height things over the rear wheel.

    Ordinarily, yes, cycle lanes are used as parking (annoyingly so) - But the ones around where I drive most are actually part of the pavement, so you'd need to park over the entire pavement to obstruct it.
     
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    Good. They are stupidly irritating, and universally used by utter t**ts.
     
  18. Gareth Halfacree

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    The system doesn't work! WE'RE ALL DOOMED!
    I want to live in Theory; everything always works there.
    Frankly, so would I. I should never have bought that MacBook Air.
    Added bonus: stops the local neds smashing up emergency vehicles with bricks.
    Aaaand we're back to "all car drivers are violent thugs." Hooray!
    Embrace the Pound Bakery! EMBRACE IT!
    Yeah, I've seen people do this - both on dual-use pavements and purely pedestrianised pavements. I've had to take the push-chair into the road to get past, sometimes, which is not cricket. S'a good job I'm not vicious, or they'd be missing their wing-mirror when that happens.
     
  19. lilgoth89

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    ^^ i had read about that and thought it was a brilliant idea, however i do see a couple of flaws in it, namely security, i imagine the media will be VERY quick to jump onto the 'hackable cars' bandwagon and 2nd of all, just because the Arctic driver is a 'professional' doesnt mean he wont crash. One of my school friends died when they slowed down for traffic on a motorway and the Truck driver was 'dozing' at the wheel, his vehicle mounted theirs and killed the whole family. what would happen to all the following vehicles then ? if they are to close together then they will just pile up one into the next

    that said, i do see it as a large step forward in terms of transport, as efficiency on the roads would rise ( as the number of accidents fall and traffic density rises ) so that improves inter-city traffic links, all that remains is in-city traffic flow. it is a real shame that so much of our infastructure in City centers was designed before the designers realised how important the Car would become, as such, lots of streets are narrow and not well suited for the traffic flows they face... hell some of the alleyways in my city are difficult to get 2 people side by side in...

    i do see electric powered Skateboards / Bicycles, Sinclair C5 clones / etc as a large part of the future of City Centre traffic ( Kinda like the hoverchairs from Wall-E )
     
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    it's a pretty stupid idea to rollerblade on the footpath because pavements are uneevnt and small hard wheels on unevent surfaces make for a poor ride. Plus they need a LOT of latteral space to use.

    Rollerbladers will generally use them for recreation, not transport and would got to a nice even space such as a park designed for this. Marble arch/hyde park come to mind.

    same too with skateboards - they self control their numbers because skateboarding is tough, skateboards take a lot of abuse and wont be used by the masses.

    These sedgeways on the other hand - every lazy arsehole can start using them and they're cheap to buy.

    sedgeway riding vape smoking arseholes may become a big nuisance on our streets and we need to nip it in the bud.
     

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