E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...d-70k-breaches-of-electoral-law-eu-referendum

In other news: Denying the existence of deadlines continues:

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...rting-democracy-by-not-tabling-brexit-debates

 

I'm still trying to workout why the government, or more specifically the cabinet, have appointed themselves as the arbiters of what sort of Brexit they impose on us, weren't we meant to be taking back control and sovereignty?

*And yet here we are with people in positions no one ever elected them for deciding on our future, it sure doesn't feel like we've taken back control.

*I didn't get to vote on who should be foreign, DWP, home office, or any other secretaries.

 

That was what one of the dust-ups in the Lords was about... HMG were saying 'brexit means brexit' and the Lords responded with 'Parliament will decide what brexit means, not you'.

 

Hasn't parliament pretty much said they don't want to decide what brexit means though, i thought most MPs on the conservative benches have said they'd vote against the HoL amendment and Labour have implied they're going to abstain.

It seems even though the electorate want parliament to take back control and sovereignty they're basically saying they don't want it, you'd think parliament wanting to abdicate responsibility would be a bit more of an issue for the people who wanted to be able to hold MPs to account.

 

Parliament doesn't want to own this **** show. Not even the Brexiteers. It's why Remainer May is carrying the can.

When it all turns out to be an epic mess, everybody can say it was because May did it wrong, and they were just following the Will of the People, not because it was a stupid idea in the first place.

 

'Boaty McBoatface' was the will of the people too...

 

To be fair it seems more like cabinet ministers are getting to decide, it appears even Mrs May doesn't know what sort of Brexit she wants, either that or she's so weak she can't get them to agree with what she thinks is best.

Only when you think about it Mrs May isn't getting it wrong as like the majority of parliament she's not nailed her colours to the mast, neither Conservative or Labour MPs in parliament have said or even want to decide on what leaving the EU should look like.

Instead she and they seem content to let a select few group of people who no one ever elected for their positions decide.

I get it, we're leaving, there's no turning back. However ask a hundred different leave supporters and you'll get a hundred different answers to questions on what particular aspects of leaving should look like, we don't actually know what the will of the people is because no ones asked them anything more than do you want to stay a member or leave.

 

That was Cummings' deliberate strategy. He shut down any conversation in the campaign about vision or planning because he wanted Leave voters to be able to project whatever fantasy they had on the campaign, to get as many voters as possible. Of course, once you've won and have to start dealing with factual reality and work out the details, you are bound to disappoint a lot of them.

Seems that the UK never left the fantasy campaign stage. Ten months to go, the UK is about to smash into a solid wall of reality.

 

51-52% are and they'll blame the 48-49% who saw it coming.

 

"If you hadn't pointed out the wall, we wouldn't have smashed ito it!"

 

EU citizens! come to the UK and help staff the NHS, providing healthcare to millions...

Oh but if you need to use any of the services you help to provide? nah we'll charge you for that...

 

In five years the NHS will be gone anyway.

 

I think the 'NHS' still be around but like the 'National Living Wage' it'll just be branding for whatever catastofuck they 'improve' the NHS into...

 

Basically. The NHS will be a purchasing authority which puts contracts out to tender and buys its services from private providers. They will just carry an NHS logo.

Private providers will carry liability for the services they provide --not the NHS purchasing authority nor the Department of Health-- so patients will have to seek redress against the private company. Of course legal aid has been cut so they'll have to find a no-win, no-fee lawyer to take up their case. How this all works in practice can be seen with the PIP breast implant scandal. Providers denied responsibility and pointed at the company that produced the implants, or simply disbanded their company and reformed under a new one to dodge claims.

Providers will also have the right, as they already do, to turn away patients who are deemed unsuitable for the care they provide. This effectively will create gaps in services in areas that are costly, risky and messily complex, and more significantly ends the NHS duty of care for all.

At the same time people will be given a personal health budget: an annual lump sum of money from which they will have to fund their own health care and make their own health care decisions. This, of course, will not be enough for those with complex and chronic health problems.

This is what people voted for. It is coming.

 

True but you'd have thought some consensus on what leaving actually looks like to have formed by now, instead we've got people becoming increasingly irate with the politicians, remainers, liberals, left-wing, right-wing, and anyone who dares question why we've not left yet.

When leave supporters say how we voted to leave so we should just get on with it and leave they never seem to be able to agree on anymore details, we all know we're leaving, we knew that 2 years ago, but it seems they can't move on from the vote to form some sort of shared opinion or belief on what the UK should be doing now.

 

Look on the bright side, it will create thousands of new jobs in the zero productivity field of professional begging (aka soliciting donations for charities).

 

Just what we need... more ****ing chuggers...

 

I wish them luck. Charity will be a luxury that people will no longer be able to afford.

 

To quote a [dutch] guy i went to uni with on the topic of chuggers - 'Charity begins at home, i'm not at home so... **** 'em...'


Same guy caused an NSPCC [iirc] chugger to have a brain melt by telling them 'i don;t do overseas aid...'

 

But at least we will have HS2 which can be recycled as a camera dolly for filming the remake of Lord of the Flies