E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

Guess who is ready for a no-deal Brexit?

Clue: it is not the UK.

 

That'll be because other countries are approaching Brexit with logic.

Here it's blind faith and an extreme religious fanatical belief in the fruits of the Garden of Brexit.

 

So why are we not prepared?

Is the civil service trying to and being blocked by the government, and if so is it No 10, No 11 or some other bit.

Or was a decision taken to advise the government that there was no preparing to do?

 

The river in Egypt?

 

This is the public sector your talking about, it takes an age for anything to get done and its always at the last minute.

 

Shroedinger's box, only the box has been opened and the cat is dead. But HMG believes as long as no-one looks at, in, or even in the vague direction of the box, the cat is still alive.

As soon as they look in the box, they have to admit and thus can't distance themselves from the fact the box is open, the cat is dead and that they killed the cat.

 

Several reasons.

The first, as Corky42 implies, is denial. Easiest deal of the century, the EU needed the UK more than the UK needed the EU, the UK held all the cards etc. The EU would cave in and hand over all the cake, lest German car manufacturers and French farmers lose business. Any suggestion that there might be difficulties were shot down as defeatist, unpatriotic Remainers talking the country down: Project Fear. Any problems highlighted by the Civil Service (and they did a lot of that) was waved away as elitist bureaucrats just making things unnecessarily difficult to justify their overpaid jobs or being closet Remainers.

The second is that there was no Brexit plan. No plan: no contingency measures. Nothing to prompt people to plan for the possibility of things breaking down, because for that you have to have a plan to break down in the first place.

Third, preparing for no deal would have been a public admission that the above (point 1) was so much BS and would have revealed that Brexit is in fact going to be a complex, costly operation with lots of downsides and uncertainty, and that the UK actually has little negotiating leverage. It would scare the public, and would show the EU just how screwed the UK would be without a deal (as if it didn't already know).

Fourth, the view from the Civil Service is that they are trying to make this *********** work as best as possible, but they are getting no direction whatsoever from a government that is still fighting with itself (and now talking about lynching their PM) about what it actually wants. Thus every time the Civil Service painstakingly figures out a way to make this *********** sorta kinda work, some faction or other of the government wades in and says they don't want that, and sabotages it. So nothing moves forward.

 

Pfft. Rank amateurs. Back in 1672 we Dutch killed our PM, then dismembered him right in the town square and ate his liver*. Direct democracy in action.

* We roasted his liver first, of course. We're not savages.

 

Taking back control!

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45938444

They've agreed to pay for the dildos, but y'all are still gonna have to sit on 'em...

 

And we are probably still going to have to buy them ourselves

 

Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed (Mrs May: 11th December 2017).

95% of the Withdrawal Agreement and its protocols are now settled (Mrs May: 22nd October 2018).

I'm confused.

At least the Gibraltar issue seems to have been resolved, although 'resolved' maybe pushing things a little as in typical fashion the cans been kicked down the road.

 

Mentioned in the Graun:

Stewart Jackson, the former Tory MP for Peterborough who became Davis’ chief of staff at DExEU after losing his seat, was responding to a tweet with a picture of a boy recovering from an operation in Great Ormond Street hospital. “He’s incredibly brave but gutted he can’t be at the People’s Vote march today,” the tweet said, showing a picture of the boy in a hospital bed under an EU flag.

Jackson tweeted: “What a pathetic cretin.”



You stay classy, Stewart.

 

Why you should never post a picture of miniyou reason #84578654754764

 

Apparently that remark was direct at his farther, so that makes it OK.

Besides if you remoaners had been keeping track you'd know that it's undemocratic to have more democracy, Brenda from Bristol told me it's in short supply these days. To that effect us brexiteers are toying with the idea of calling off all future general elections, the people have spoken a year ago and it's the will of the people that we have a Conservative government forever more.

If we let people vote again in 2022 they'll lose all trust in democracy and politicians, we can't keep asking them to vote until they get the question 'right'.

EDIT: I suspect Brexiteers stay well away from this thread and even if they didn't I'm not sure how much credence they give to experts these days but this article on The Conversation makes for an interesting read with regards to the effect of the vote on exports.

 

And the WTO deal is not looking so good either...

The countries raising objections were amongst others Russia (surprise, surprise), and Commonwealth bezzy mates with the UK, New Zealand and Australia. And "we'll do you a bigly trade deal" USA.

 

...Argentina [no prizes for guessing why].

 

From what i understand not having your schedule accepted at the WTO is pretty standard fair, IIRC it just means you trade with those countries on default rules, and if I'm not mistaken there's not a single country that has had its schedule accepted by all members of the WTO.