E.U: Leave or Stay? Your thoughts.

Her legacy is already "One of the worst PM's of all time". I wonder if she's trying to knock Anthony Eden off the bottom spot.

Edit: Has anyone else noticed that there is a huge majority of unflattering pictures of May when there is one in a news article?

 

I don't recall having three years to research before I voted! Nice to see that some did though

 

Because a well-informed electorate is a prerequisite to democracy, if people vote without being well-informed on what they're voting for it's no longer a democracy.

 

I mean.. It doesn't take three years..

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+are+the+implications+of+leaving+the+eu&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:6/1/2016,cd_max:6/15/2016&tbm=

There's what you'd have if you'd googled 'what are the implications of leaving the eu' back in June 2016. Bunch of different results from a bunch of different perspectives that should take anyone with a reasonable reading level a couple of hours, tops, to read the first page of results..

And that's assuming you left googling until June. You'd had since February to do a bit of reading, so even at one article a day you'd have had a very well rounded set of opinions to mull over before the vote.

Edit: And I don't mean that it'd have changed your mind (Although I suspect it might have), but a whole bunch of varied opinions on leaving the EU is probably a good thing when making a decision on whether to vote for that exact thing.

 

I prefer to see this as an issue with referenda rather than the people who vote in them. Asking a simple question relating to complex situations is never going to end well.

 

True, but it didn't have to be a simple question. The government sent out a leaflet informing people of what they were voting for, as per EU guidelines on democracy, but unfortunately most people threw those straight in the bin or dismissed them as remainer propaganda.

And then there was the whitepaper on what ticking the box marked leave actually meant, that should have been published 8 months before people voted, not 8 months afterwards.

 

"When I voted for something without understanding the consequences, I didn't know that I would get unexpected consequences!"

"Let's just leave" is not a responsible attitude. It's like moving out without knowing where you're going to sleep that night. It is a total abdication of control and responsibility; junkie logic. A functioning democracy requires a wise and informed electorate. The fact that you're now acting all surprised about the (very predictable) outcome of your vote means that you already failed at this basic prerequisite.

And that is Brexit all over: after repeatedly voting for a venal austerity government selling the UK off to the highest bidder, people thought they were going to "claim their country back" through a cheap, populist vote rather than getting off their arses and informing themselves before voting and working hard to earn their country back. You have been relying for too long on immigrants to do all the hard work for you, like inept colonials who couldn't even dress themselves without a slave or servant to tie their shoe laces. You have been living off the money of foreigners but don't want to pay your debts.

You want your country back? You're going to have to earn it back. You want control? You're going to have to learn to take the responsibility that comes with it. Time to grow up and be an adult.

 

Annd here is why I think critical thinking and researching current issues should be covered in school. People don't seem to know how to research without just picking up the same paper their parents read.

That would have meant someone thinking more than about how to get elected in the next GE without losing some of their party to other parties because reasons.

 

Seeing it pan out pretty much as you expected doesn't make it feel any better. This is how I've been feeling for a long time....

 

Same here. At least you have the small comfort of knowing that you didn't vote for this ***********.

 

Being a vindictive ****, I'd laugh if the EU said "If you want to stay after all this kerfuffle, you need to accept these terms.." with those in it.

 

The funny part is if you listen to the video of the debate (around 1h 36m) when Hansard recorded those comments you can hear the crowd outside shouting 'Stop Brexit'.

 

I imagine most did not. I know I didn't. Fairly sure I believed the leave position was Norway/Switzerland and thought why bother when we can continue to lead from inside. Anything harder could cause issues with NI, Scotland and citizens and wouldn't happen.

Since then, there has been a whole lot of things i've learnt (and already forgotten) with a lot coming from 3blokes - who knew pallets would be an issue. Regardless, parliament has shown itself to be sorely lacking, MPs generally useless and we are once again paying the price for being unable to keep our house in order while trying to blame the EU for it.

I saw this on reddit https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1113547733300842497.html

 

Awesome work on his part.

Edit: In other news the Police have warned those with a public platform (ie MPs) to watch what they say in order not to inflame people.

Makes me think of the sweary Bercow twitter feed now.

 

Yep! The go to response for any brexiter that says we voted for WTO only and nothing else was the hannan/farage whoever else youtube video. That thread goes above and beyond that.

As for the police, I missed that being said. I did however pick up on the 10,000 police ready to be deployed, if needed, in the case of no deal.

Oh, and amusingly yesterday when I saw TM walking next to JC I noticed red, white and blue colours. Maybe that's what TM meant all along