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Discussion in 'Hardware' started by Guest-44638, 10 May 2019.

  1. Guest-44638

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  2. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    Neither. If you're wanting to moave away from the Haswell spec in your sig, you'll need to stump up for a CPU, board *and* RAM...
     
  3. Anfield

    Anfield Multimodder

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    Not a Z series chipset, so you'd be running into OC restrictions and basically end up stuck at stock clocks (or very near it with bus clock OC).

    I'd wait the two three months or so for the new Ryzen CPUs to turn up, then replace CPU, mobo and RAM in one go.

    Say £200 for a CPU + £100 each for mobo and RAM, so £400 all in.
    If you sell the old CPU, mobo and RAM for say £150 total you'd only be looking at about £250 for the whole upgrade.
     
  4. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    Kaby Lake supporls DDR3L... not regular DDR3 [L is 1.35v, regular is anything up to 1.65... and iirc whilst you can get normal DDR3 to work anything over 1.5 can screw with the memory controller].

    Tbh even if you could get one of those boards... I wouldn't. Cheaping out and half-assing it won't do you any favours. Tbh Not thinking it through before pulling the trigger lead you to your current quandry.

    EDIT: as @Anfield said, you're looking at £400-ish and something along the lines of this for path of least monetary pain/long-term grief - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/fvcktg [and that's assuming you want/need the stuff right ****ing now and aren't willing to wait for the 3000-series ryzens/500-series boards]
     
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  5. adidan

    adidan Guesswork is still work

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    * Looks at 3770 *

    Yup, it's time to move on. Zen 2 is just around the corner and the 2nd gen Ryzens are going for really good prices at the moment.
     
  6. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Lover of bit-tech Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

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    Nup: Zen+. Zen 2 will be the Ryzen 3000 series. (Unless you're talking Ryzen Pro, which is an entirely different kettle of fish: Ryzen Pro 3000 series is Zen+.)
     
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  7. RedFlames

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    Ryzen = CPU, Zen = arcitechitre,

    1st Generation Ryzen = 1st Generation Zen Architecture.
    2nd Generation Ryzen = Refreshed 1st Generation Zen [Zen+]

    2nd Generation Zen [Zen 2] = 3rd Generation Ryzen


    FWIW ASUS have released updated firmware for and confirmed support of the 3xxx series Ryzen CPUs on their 400-series boards [so B450 and X470].
     
  8. Anfield

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    Currently you'd be looking at something like an AMD Ryzen 5 2600x or Intel i5-8600k to get a good upgrade (either way around £400 inc mobo + ram), but the impending release of the Ryzen 3xxx CPUs may well push those prices down, plus of course there may be some new shiny among those new CPUs that you end up wanting:naughty:

    So probably a good idea to hold off for now.
     
  9. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    The hope is either the 2xxx will drop in price, or you'll get a 3xxx series of better spec for the same price you would've paid had you not waited.
     
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    GeorgeStorm Aggressive PC Builder

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    Fingers66 Kiwi in London

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  12. Anfield

    Anfield Multimodder

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    RAM, Mobo and CPU would just sit around doing nothing until you get the other two, so if you wanted to split the purchase over time the cooler would be the logical one to get first as you can use it with the existing hardware while waiting for the rest.
     
  13. spolsh

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    Current build sounds fairly typical haswell with a few more recent parts - only debatable things (to me) are 32GB RAM and little 500GB HDDs
     
  14. spolsh

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    should still be quite capable, but don't let Gareth hear you call a Back-up anything "questionable" LOL.

    4 core i5 may be starting to hold things back a touch (depending on what software you use as much as anything). I think you would notice a difference moving to a Ryzen system, I did even to the first generation from haswell (in Battlefield 1 mostly). The 32 gig of RAM, I wasn't criticising it, just it's more than most haswell desktops had/have - I've got 32GB (4 x 8GB) in my current PC, but probably didn't need more than 16 - but one day I might, and that's a good enough reason for me !
     
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    That's the thing with these pesky PC's - upgrade one component and find the weaknesses in another. Vega 56 will be a nice match for next-gen Ryzen I reckon.
     
  16. Vault-Tec

    Vault-Tec Green Plastic Watering Can

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    Mate you don't have to run your games at the native res. Dropping it to 1440 in game should work well with no image degradation. I used to on my old 4k Acer. Problem wasn't games for me, it was the lack of scaling in proggys I owned (like older licensed versions of Photoshop) and they didn't scale and thus you couldn't see what you were doing.
     
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    Have you enabled VSR? That may help.
     
  18. Vault-Tec

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    Google should help :)
     
  19. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    Unless you wanted to push the boat out a bit on one of the bigger noctuas or the U12A, that's about it i think...

    iirc the 3rd gen ryzen stuff isn't due 'til july so if can wait, great... if not... not...
     
  20. Anfield

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    Ryzen 5 3600 + random x570 board + 16GB DDR4 should end up fitting in the £400 budget (provided pcie 4 doesn't inflate mobo pricing too much).

    As you are going to wait either way the 5 -6 weeks shouldn't be too long of a wait (and then with the cold hard performance numbers on the table it will be far easier to assess).
     
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