1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Peripherals Mech keyboard advice

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by silk186, 16 Oct 2019.

  1. silk186

    silk186 Derp

    Joined:
    1 Dec 2014
    Posts:
    1,935
    Likes Received:
    150
    We should have a tag for keyboards, instead of just peripherals.

    I've been using the lovely Royal kludge RK61 Bluetooth wired dual-mode 60%.

    I love the keyboard but I must admit, it is a bit noisy and others have complained. If I picked up the version with Cherry brown would it be perfect or should I look for something similar from another brand? What are reasonably priced options for 60% with backlight?

    [​IMG]
     
  2. MadGinga

    MadGinga oooh whats this do?

    Joined:
    19 Mar 2009
    Posts:
    2,702
    Likes Received:
    522
    You don't say what colour switches it has...
     
  3. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Lover of bit-tech Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    4 Dec 2007
    Posts:
    17,132
    Likes Received:
    6,728
    If it's noisy, I'mma guess Blues.

    If you like the keyboard as-is, Browns would be quieter - unless you're bottoming out, in which case they'll be about the same volume. If that's the case, you need to either train yourself to stop at the actuation point or fit rubber dampers.
     
    MadGinga likes this.
  4. MadGinga

    MadGinga oooh whats this do?

    Joined:
    19 Mar 2009
    Posts:
    2,702
    Likes Received:
    522
    I agree logical assumption says blues, but if you assume you make an ass of u (&) me.... :p

    i also agree that bottoming out has a bigger impact on typing volume than the switch itself; SWMBO's keyboard is a membrane and she makes more noise than I do on my mechanical with browns...
     
    Gareth Halfacree likes this.
  5. silk186

    silk186 Derp

    Joined:
    1 Dec 2014
    Posts:
    1,935
    Likes Received:
    150
    The switches are brown, but they aren't cherry. I think it could be a combination of factors. I'm typing on them and lightly tapping the keys (not pressing them) is as loud as typing. It may be that the stems are a bit loose. I have rubber rings but didn't install them as I don't think the sound is from bottoming out. The keys have a lot of movement but I don't have a keyboard with Cherry switches to compare.
     
  6. Andersen

    Andersen I'm fine. I'M FINE! *banshee howl*

    Joined:
    25 Nov 2002
    Posts:
    1,286
    Likes Received:
    490
    Switch tester, sampler or something yup. You can find those on Amazon, usually in the 5-15 quid range.
     
  7. MadGinga

    MadGinga oooh whats this do?

    Joined:
    19 Mar 2009
    Posts:
    2,702
    Likes Received:
    522
    If browns are too noisy, you could try reds, or you could look for some of the switches specifically marketed as quiet (zilent for one, but i have no experience with them personally). But as sugested by @Jeff Hine and @Andersen you'd definitely be best trying them out via switch test first.
     
  8. silk186

    silk186 Derp

    Joined:
    1 Dec 2014
    Posts:
    1,935
    Likes Received:
    150
    Will all mechs with Cherry brown switches make the same level of noise?
     
  9. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Lover of bit-tech Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    4 Dec 2007
    Posts:
    17,132
    Likes Received:
    6,728
    Nope - depends on the build of the keyboard as well. A cheapy plastic may be louder than a more solid plate-mount one, as there's more to bounce and bigger open spaces for it to bounce in. I'm typing on a Filco Majestouch II with Blues right now, and the main keys just make a gentle click (though the space bar makes a more noticeable "thunk" thanks to the Costar stabs.) The ergonomic keyboard with MX Blacks, by contrast, is pretty much silent despite being a massive hollow plastic thing - probably because the angle of typing means I'm not hitting the keys so hard.
     
    silk186 likes this.
  10. silk186

    silk186 Derp

    Joined:
    1 Dec 2014
    Posts:
    1,935
    Likes Received:
    150
    It seems I will need to think about investing in a more premium keyboard. Do I have many options with 60%?
     
  11. GeorgeStorm

    GeorgeStorm Aggressive PC Builder

    Joined:
    16 Dec 2008
    Posts:
    7,023
    Likes Received:
    564
    Ducky Mini has a metal plate I believe, along with the newest Poker possibly?

    If you're not bottoming out it shouldn't make much/any more noise than a non mechanical I would have thought. I'm quite a heavy typist so I always bottom out but have yet to have any complaints (I use blacks at work)
     
  12. CrapBag

    CrapBag Multimodder

    Joined:
    17 Jul 2008
    Posts:
    8,343
    Likes Received:
    637
    If you are happy with paying postage both ways I can loan you a switch tester.

    Edit....It's one of these has 17 different switches.
     
    Last edited: 18 Oct 2019
  13. d_stilgar

    d_stilgar Old School Modder

    Joined:
    11 Feb 2010
    Posts:
    1,046
    Likes Received:
    166
    I have a collection of 420+ unique keyboard switches.

    Aliaz switches are both smooth and quiet (they're silent switches). Cherry and Gateron silents feel scratchy. Zilent switches are also very good, but are the most expensive by a decent margin.

    Any hot-swap keyboard would work if you don't want to solder. GMMK makes one that is decent enough. I use it but rarely swap out the switches.
     
  14. silk186

    silk186 Derp

    Joined:
    1 Dec 2014
    Posts:
    1,935
    Likes Received:
    150
    Thanks for the offer. It would be interesting to try all the switches. I might send you a PM later.
     
  15. silk186

    silk186 Derp

    Joined:
    1 Dec 2014
    Posts:
    1,935
    Likes Received:
    150
    It has been suggested that mine are probably a copy of brown switches made by the RK company by Kailh.
    I don't need absolute silence but would like reasonably quiet.
     
  16. d_stilgar

    d_stilgar Old School Modder

    Joined:
    11 Feb 2010
    Posts:
    1,046
    Likes Received:
    166
    None of the "silent" switches truly are silent. The biggest benefit they have is that the bottom of the stem, the part that "bottoms out" and hits the inside of the switch housing, is cast with little pieces of rubber to soften the landing and dampen the noise. You can look up images of how Aliaz, Zilent, and Gateron silent switches do this compared to Cherry silent switches.

    Another way to dampen the noise (that I've used successfully) is to get car sound dampening mat and cut it down and install into the inside of the keyboard case. It's cheap and will cut down the hollow reverb noises and a few db from the keyboard.
     
  17. edzieba

    edzieba Virtual Realist

    Joined:
    14 Jan 2009
    Posts:
    3,909
    Likes Received:
    591
    There's the old 'O-ring trick' of placing a small soft o-ring around the protruding portion of the keyswitch shaft such that the keycap cannot bottom out (due to contacting the o-ring instead). This made its way into some production keyboards to reduce noise (e.g. the Logitech G710+).
     
  18. silk186

    silk186 Derp

    Joined:
    1 Dec 2014
    Posts:
    1,935
    Likes Received:
    150
    The problematic noise is created when my fingers make contact with the keycaps, not from the actuation or bottoming out.
     
  19. d_stilgar

    d_stilgar Old School Modder

    Joined:
    11 Feb 2010
    Posts:
    1,046
    Likes Received:
    166
    If the noise is from just having your fingers on the keycaps, but not necessarily typing, then there could be a few solutions.

    Sound dampening mat inside the keyboard will help.
    Thicker keycaps that absorb more sound.
    "Box" style switches, which tend to have less play
    Softer switch housing material, like POM.
    Heavier case and/or plate
     
  20. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Lover of bit-tech Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    4 Dec 2007
    Posts:
    17,132
    Likes Received:
    6,728
    I dunno about noise, but I *do* know that my Filco with ABS keycaps was 'orrid then I threw some PBT caps on there and it was lovely.
     

Share This Page