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Energy prices, what's your plan?

Discussion in 'Serious' started by ElThomsono, 30 Aug 2022.

  1. koola

    koola Minimodder

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    I have a family of five with three children who are healthy without any air pollution problems. Likewise, my in-laws are over 70 and have no air pollution related problems. In fact I don't know anyone including friends and family who suffer with air pollution issues as most days are clear and sunny.

    What you are quoting is 0.138% of the 1.44 billion population who have died. Propaganda goes both ways and I have first hand experience of both west vs east and on the whole life is better in the east including China imo.
     
  2. koola

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    And then nothing else happens as is the way with British lol (I'm British btw)
     
  3. koola

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    Communism that isn't bad, who would have thought it!
     
  4. Gareth Halfacree

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    I'm sure that'll comfort the families of the two million people a year who aren't so lucky. Out of interest, how high would that figure need to get before you considered it too high a price for cheap energy? Four million? Eight million? Or maybe just two million and one, if that one was a member of your family?
    Mate, those are China's own figures. Which makes you wonder how bad the problem really is...

    And, not to muddy the waters, maybe we should touch on the topic of where the fuel is coming from and what the seller is doing with that money...
     
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    This!
     
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  6. koola

    koola Minimodder

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    I think it's quite low on the whole don't you.
    I'm fine with the fuel coming from Russia, just as the EU or India or US. China is prioritising their citizens over other countries and it's what governments should be doing. It's a blessing not to have to think if I should turn the heater on or not like so many do in the UK now.
     
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    Yeah of course you do as they've made the figures up to to please you, so why wouldn't you :)
     
  8. koola

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    UK government is no better mate.
     
  9. Gareth Halfacree

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    What, two million? No, I absolutely do not. Using 2019 figures, that's 106 deaths per 100,000 capita attributable to outdoor air pollution (and the same again for indoor air pollution, without even touching on deaths caused by water-borne pollution); an order of magnitude higher than here in the UK, at about 11 per 100,000. Which, by the way, is a number I'd like to see come down.

    Wat. The EU is, very very publicly, working to reduce its reliance on Russian gas. As is the US. Does that sound like nations happy with the status quo?

    India, yes, you're right, they're happy buying Russian fuel. I'm not happy about them doing it, either, so I'm not really sure what your point is, there. Oh, and speaking of India: they're second place in the air pollution death rankings, behind world leader China. That's not related to Russian gas, to be fair, but it brings us neatly back to the topic at hand.
    I'm rather pleased that my country isn't doing that vis-a-vis the war in Ukraine, 'cos Russia ain't going to stop at Ukraine. I'd also fear for Taiwan (lovely place, used to go there for Computex) at China's hand should Russia go unchecked. If that means I'm putting two jumpers on instead of turning the heat up a couple of degrees, well, jumpers are cheap. (No, really, I'm wearing one I got at a charity shop right now, it was a couple of quid and it's in great condition. Love it.)
    At least we can visit the forum without having to bounce through a VPN in the US...
     
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    The UK is shyte I'll give you that but we're nothing on China! I don't even need to elborate on how many levels this attriubes to!
     
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    this thread just gives and gives haha!
     
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  12. koola

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    You forget China is still technically a third world country and is growing and with that growth the need for sufficient energy arrises. UK did exactly the same in the past with it's 'London smog'.

    They still prioritise buying Russian oil and gas vs domestic supply or from the middle east.

    You'll likely need three when the wind stops blowing, thank you Boris.

    Oh come on, cheap comment. I use a VPN even when in the UK first for privacy and then to access products prohibited. It doesn't matter where I am in the world.
     
  13. Gareth Halfacree

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    Yes, and that was bad too. Again, I'm not seeing your point: because bad things happen elsewhere, you can't criticise bad things happening in China? You have no desire for anything to improve in your country, because other countries may be worse? Like I said, I want to see air pollution in the UK get even better than it is now, despite it being literally ten times better than China's already.
    Did you read the ten-point plan, there?
    Wat. I have no love for our current government (or the last one, or the last one, or... well, any of 'em, really), but Rhymes-With-Hunt has launched a consultation which would see nuclear power reclassified as "environmentally sustainable" so it could be better funded. The wind might stop blowing (although not often, and not for long), but nuclear's pretty damn reliable.
    Says the guy who literally posted "and then nothing else happens as is the way with British lol" (which is patently untrue, we've been working as a nation to reduce air pollution levels for years - attributable deaths have dropped 34 per cent since 1990.)

    Don't want none, don't give none. Let's keep this about Rampart energy infrastructure, pricing, supply, and consumption, people.
     
  14. MLyons

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    How on earth are they prioritising Russian oil and gas over domestic or other EU/US sources? It's the complete opposite.

    Because China and India have great dictators
    China's Xi allowed to remain 'president for life' as term limits removed
    India's Opposition Leader Rahul Gandhi sentenced to 2 years in prison for defaming Prime Minister Modi

    Careful Gareth, You might damage their social score
     
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    Absolute topic shift, and naughty 'cos we're in the Serious sub for Serious Threads, but: I used to have an Amazon Mastercard. They closed the programme down recently, so my available credit dropped by £4k. My credit score with ClearScore (which is why your comment made me think of it) went from a comfortably above-average 670-some out of 999 to a below-average 500-odd, presumably 'cos it assumed I'd done something wrong.

    Then, a couple of weeks later, it went up to 991 out of 999. I've changed nothing.

    In short, credit scores are literally numbers pulled out of a hat, and I'm glad they don't actually have any real impact on my life unless I'm actively looking for loans.
     
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    I think we all want to see air pollution decrease, mortality rates drop and for us to live longer, but in the real world when countries outsource manufacturing to the east, pollution goes with it and that's exactly what the UK and US have done.

    I did and there's a lot of political reasons except for where they're moving to nuclear due as part to the diabolical decision to invest all in renewable without a contingency plan for when the wind stops blowing. That's why they have put coal fired powers stations on standby via Drax.

    Nuclear is the clear winner for the energy gap. Rolls Royce micro reactor is the answer, so let us hope the UK gov backs it.

    That's just my take being a British Expat. I guess living in countries who rapidly implement policy and get things done just makes me feel the UK can't compete. HS2 is a prime example.
     
  17. Gareth Halfacree

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    You do realise that if you paid more for your energy, there would be more money available to invest in both cleaner sources of said energy and mitigations for the dirty energy sources? That's... kinda how that works.
    And not having to use a VPN to access the internet is a benefit I enjoy. Like I say, glass houses. (And you're not an "expat," that's not a thing. You're an economic migrant.)
    Yeah... I'm not sure China's track record on this stuff is quite where you're claiming...

    And nothing I'm writing here should be considered a defence in any way of the UK government. I'm perfectly happy to face its failings, and nobody could ever accuse me of unwarranted patriotism. Can you say the same? Heck, can you say 天安门广场 一九八九 off-VPN?
     
  18. koola

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    Urm.. by proxy. India and Saudi bought lots cheap and resold it to UK/EU/US so they didn't violate their own sanctions. I literally can't make this stuff up lol

    Act sarcastic, but it's coming to the UK via digital IDs. They'll probably lie and say it isn't so, but politics is full of lies isn't it.
     
  19. Zak33

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    HS2 is fugly.

    The UK can do many many thing right.

    But I agree... HS2 is horrible. Should never have started, might not even finish. Wont even save any energy

    Having said that, not sure having CRCC under the guise of 16th Bureau Ltd helped much. Meddling like that was a deliberate ploy
     
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    Important note on credit scores: lenders don't give 2 hoots what that number is. It's only an indicator of your general credit for easier understanding with the masses. Things of your credit file lenders will actually look at when applying for credit

    Missed payments: probably the biggest factor, particularly if they are recent. A single missed payment 3 years ago isn't a major factor, but if you have several recent ones on different lines of credit, that can suggest financial difficulty

    Payment amounts: are you paying the minimum only and making little effort to clear the balance, or do you make regular larger payments,l of fixed amounts that meaningfully reduce the balance.

    Total credit and % of credit used: are you maxed out to the limit and stretching yourself too much if for further borrowing, not so important if you've specified it's for consolidation, but lenders have to weigh up the risk that it's not. Also depends on what the credit is, so if you're applying for credit on a purchase where there is a guaranteed purpose and it's a fixed-term non-flexible* agreement, they're not as interested in other credit facilities as they are in your repayment history. Also the history of balances, so are credit cards just always ran near the limit, or are there peaks and troughs.
    (*like credit card or store card or overdraft is "flexible" as you can continuously draw down on it)

    Type of credit accounts: when we first got a mortgage, I had an unsettled ccj on my credit report from 4years prior. They did not care. What caused us problems and had to end up going to "specialist" place for bad credit, was a wonga loan on Mrs Crap's report from some 5 years prior.

    There are security factors like voters role and frequent address changes, addresses with lots of bad credit on (the later of which may flag that it's a potential ID theft and will require further checks, rather than credit worthiness).

    Actual credit score numbers are not given to lenders, because they're meaningless to them and arbitrary for particular credit reference agencies.
     
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