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10-year-old girl Tasered

Discussion in 'Serious' started by bigsharn, 19 Nov 2009.

  1. bigsharn

    bigsharn Officially demotivated

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    This guy deserved to be kicked in the balls

    -The mother called the police to get the girl in the shower before bed, I'm sure there's more important things they could be dealing with.
    -The poor kid's getting charged for "disorderly conduct" you should be able to do whatever the hell you like within your own four walls
    -The worst bit... The parent not only allowed it but in a way suggested it, then either left the copper in the bathrtoom with the little girl (smart move) or watched as her daughter was tasered and did nothing about it... kids act up, get used to it for god's sake

    Is there any wonder I hate coppers with a passion?


    UPDATE: The copper has been punished...
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...gun-to-subdue-10-year-old-girl-suspended.html

    ...for not using a camera while tasing the girl :jawdrop: I actually don't beilieve it, obviously Arkansas PD don't see anything wrong with electrocuting kids (especially as the girl is STILL being tried for disorderly conduct)
     
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  2. DarkLord7854

    DarkLord7854 What's a Dremel?

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    I think it's pretty bad the cop tasered her, but for the mom to suggest it.. I think that's far far far worse.
     
  3. specofdust

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    Meh, she kicked him in the balls. Him tazering her is probably preferable to him punching her in the head repeatedly.
     
  4. Krazeh

    Krazeh Minimodder

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    Why? Because he used the tools available to him to end a violent situation without causing any substantial or lasting damage to any party?
     
  5. bigsharn

    bigsharn Officially demotivated

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    I think a fully grown man (or woman, it never specified in the article) is a little bit stronger than a ten year old girl, it wouldn't have been that hard to handcuff her (which is far less painful/cruel than an electric shock)
     
  6. Krazeh

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    Yes, because it's so simple to restrain a child. Especially the ones that don't want to be restrained and are hitting out at anything nearby.
     
  7. format

    format What's a Dremel?

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    Christ, why not just lobotomise her, there's no lasting damage, is there?
     
  8. Krazeh

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    What?? I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say but i'm gonna assume you're attempting to inject some further sensationalism by making a ridiculous claim that a short electric shock is somehow comparable to having part of your brain removed.
     
  9. Yourcomputer

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    Um seriously? I don't agree that the taser was necessary, but a slight tase will generally not produce any lasting physical damage.

    I'm more worried at what this shows of humanity. Calling police on your 10 year old daughter not wanting to shower? Requesting for them to taser her? An electric shock is the least of my worries in this situation.

    The parent's ability to care for her child has to be questioned here.
     
  10. supermonkey

    supermonkey Deal with it

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    The police should not have responded to the call to begin with. The fact that a child simply disobeyed a parent is a personal family issue that does not require police intervention. Since they decided to show up anyway, they should have arrested the mother for failing as a parent.

    But really, using a taser on a 10-year-old child? I thought police officers had self defense training as part of the job. I've seen police officers take down grown men using only their bare hands. I think this qualifies as a fail all around.

    -monkey
     
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  11. Furymouse

    Furymouse Like connect 4 in dagger terms

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    ^^ agreed

    This situation should never have happened at all. For some reason Im thinking that the mother lied when she called in to the police. That's to much of a stretch to imagine seeing as she gave the cop permission to tase her if they saw fit. What a crappy parent.

    And the cop will be punished. Absolutely no justification for that amount of force in that situation.

    The only innocent here is the ten year old girl who was just being a ten year old girl.
     
  12. The_Beast

    The_Beast I like wood ಠ_ಠ

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    Those are the kind of parent every kid should have :rolleyes:
     
  13. mvagusta

    mvagusta Did a skid that went for two weeks.

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    He needed a taser to overpower a 10 year old girl?
    Why would anyone even want to overpower a 10 year old girl? So she would have a shower before bed? Since when is not showering a crime? Even if a child was holding a gun, it's the parent's fault, no exceptions. Cops should not be called for any matter where a child is misbehaving.
    If a parent can't raise their kids properly, then the parent needs to start taking classes.

    That useless cop & mother need to be thrown in jail, where the inmates would serve those pos justice very nicely. It would be nice if she got hooked up with a nice foster parent and lived happily, but she's not in a disney movie unfortunately so it might not happen :sigh:

    I dunno if your childhood was as bad as this specofdust, maybe that's why you are being so heartless, but not that would make it right for other kids to go through it.
     
  14. PureSilver

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    I 'get' the furore, but this is frankly predictable. Here's the facts - we give someone a weapon, and say that it will only be used in the direst of situations. Ten years later and we're tasering hecklers at John Kerry's speeches, speeding grandmas and dirty kids. I suppose it's preferable to shooting them. Briefly;

    1. The cop is entirely within his rights to subdue someone who is attacking him; his safety is paramount. American policeman don't come in twos like ours do; he needs to be assured that he's in control to prevent the situation getting further out of hand. If the girl is close enough to nut-shot him she's close enough to grab weapons from holsters or attack him with sharp objects. Whilst I'm sure that's not something that springs into your head every time you meet a ten-year-old, the cop's just turned up, to meet someone he doesn't know, attacking him. Furthermore, they deal in worst-case scenarios - why risk injury to himself in a physical struggle?
    2. Whilst this was a pretty crappy decision, he didn't volunteer to be there - he was summoned to a situation that was already in progress. Once he's there-
    3. -He doesn't have a whole lot of options once someone has started assaulting him; either he takes charge or he lets them take charge, which weakens his position. His other options, so far as I can see, include physically subduing her to handcuff her, Mace'ing her, or shooting her. Given that the latter two cause long-term discomfort and lasting physical harm respectively (and either can be fatal), and the former puts him unnecessarily close to someone who's already hitting him, tasering her is the logical option from a tactical standpoint.
    4. American policeman are as standard equipped with a semiautomatic handgun, a backup revolver, and a pump-action shotgun, not kisses, cuddles and reasonable chastisement. What the f*** was the mother thinking calling the police to get her child to shower? What the hell happened to parenting? What kind of child hits a policeman?!
    The mother's the one to blame for escalating the annoyance of a 10-year-old being difficult to putting a policeman in a stupid situation and then suggesting he go all Duracell bunny on said daughter. It's her fault a man with a Taser amongst other lethal weapons is being assaulted by her daughter, and it's likely to be largely due to her parenting that she's in this situation at all.
     
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  15. mvagusta

    mvagusta Did a skid that went for two weeks.

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    Yes the child's mother is a witch but realise that when you try to justify a cop tasering an unarmed 10 year old child, do you think it makes you seem intelligent?
    Really? :eyebrow:
     
  16. PureSilver

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    No, no, I know how arguing on the internet makes everyone look. I just thought it was time somebody pointed out that a) the police are not universally scum and b) the blame belongs far, far more heavily on the mother on the facts of that story than the stupid cop. I'd go so far as to contest your assertion that the cop deserves jail; he may well deserve to be fired to set an example that even one stupid decision can cost you your job, but I think you're forgetting that dealing with 'domestics' is such a thankless task that UK cops will in fact refuse to intervene or enter the premises so they don't have to get involved in them.

    I think it's premature to condemn him to jail. The facts are not yet fully explored, for a start. I point out that the girl is stated as having the ultimate euphemism of 'emotional problems.' If you put a cop in a situation they are ill-suited to - like dealing with kids with behavioural issues - you're going to get big, bad mistakes like this one. For all we know the child is a living nightmare of acronym disorders that really needs the kind of long-term specialist care the American system seems so utterly incapable of providing, and the mother is a caring, loving parent driven to the edge of madness by a decade of appalling lack of local authority intervention and the total lack of support from her ex-husband, who either didn't want or couldn't have any custody rights. I'm not saying that a decade of dealing with a so-called problem kid without help would ever justify recommending someone give them unorthodox ECT, but the child having a severe behaviour disorder would go a long way to explaining what are very unpleasant facts. I note with interest that the kid's still facing charges; the county is evidently not very worried about what a court will opine about their officer's performance, so perhaps this is more than the bang-up job you suggest. Alternatively, maybe your interpretation is right, the kid's issues are more like dyslexia and the meth-addicted fiend of a mother paid off the corrupt b****** to shock her daughter for kicks. We don't know.

    A good example of that is found here, where another site tells that in fact the cop was already in the process of removing the child to an emergency shelter in the back of a squad car - a more damning indictment of the failures of the parental support system you will not find - when he zapped her. That's a lot different from trying to put her to bed because she won't shower. Why does she have to go to an emergency shelter in the first place? These are questions we don't know the answers to.

    Again, I emphasise that even if the kid's emotional issues were full-blown psychosis and sociopathy, tasering her was an unacceptable and stupid response. I'm just reluctant to demonise anyone until the entire facts of the case are known, which doubtless since the kid's still facing charges they will be eventually.
     
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  17. bigsharn

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    I've seen an instance where it takes 5 coppers to hold down a 13 year old kid (and one time where 3 cars, a van and a bicycle were needed to chase down a handbag thief)... Or maybe the police over here are just useless :duh:
     
  18. CardJoe

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    True, but maybe he shouldn't have allowed it to escalate to that.
     
  19. Pookeyhead

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    All this because she wouldn't have a shower? LOL I suspect the "emotional" problems this child has are ones of the parent's making.

    Also... I've seen children of that age be utterly impossible to restrain and it has taken several adults, much kicking and screaming and a hypodermic needle!

    So... You can't use any kind of force you'd consider acceptable for an adult... because she's 10? May I suggest you use whatever force is necessary to get your job done while being kicked and punched by someone regardless of their age.

    It's this kind of revulsion towards any kind of physical punishment that has led to a steady decline in children's behaviour lately. I'm not saying all kids should be tasered, obviously, as this was a special case (10 year olds don't normally try to beat up policemen) but we're in a culture where it's no longer acceptable to physically punish children, and I think that's wrong. I think the policeman using any kind of physical force beyond merely restraining her would have had a similar response from the public.

    Children are still caned in Singapore for example, and you know what? They're not emotionally damaged in anyway. If you don't want to be caned... then behave your sorry ass! As a result, children invariably have respect for adults, and are disciplined.

    I can remember being caned in school.... once.... and I never did anything to result in me being caned again.... because it hurt, and I didn't want to have it done to me again. It isn't ****ing rocket science! Also, given a choice of being caned and tasered, I'd take tasered any day. After being caned I couldn't sit down without pain for 48 hours.

    I speak to many teachers, and I constantly hear of incidents in secondary schools where pupils will literally stand nose to nose with you and hurl abuse in your face knowing there's nothing you can do. You think this would happen if you COULD do something about it? They all KNOW it makes sense, but for some reason still say "Well.. you can't HIT them surely, as that would be wrong". LOL


    ok... gone off topic a little... but one of two things are evident in the above story. Either the child DOES have some mental health issue, in which case she should be receiving treatment, or the child just needs a damned good slap! If it's A then both the parents and social services have failed, and if it's B then the Policeman was doing the kid a favour, as behaving like that without any underlying mental health issues is just leading her down a path that will inevitably lead to further run-ins with the police later on.. with far more serious consequences.


    Stop being so soft! At 41, I can JUST remember a time when it was acceptable... in fact, EXPECTED that a policeman would give you a quick cuff across the head if he caught you up to no good. As a result, we respected the police more... yes, we also feared them a little, but is that a bad thing?
     
  20. mvagusta

    mvagusta Did a skid that went for two weeks.

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    pookeyhead & puresilver, pretend that you are a mature, proud & loving father.

    Now pretend the you have a beautifull little daughter, someone that you wouldn't hesistate to give your life for.
    She is now throwing a tantrum because she refuses to stop playing with the wii.

    You'd patentiently ignore the tantrum, right?
    When she gives up, you'd tell her that she was misbehaving so badly, that she can't play with the wii for a week, and that if she throws another tantrum, it will be a month, correct?

    Does a policeman have any place in disciplining her :confused: She didn't beat up the cop, he came in and tried to physically force an upset child into obeying a stranger :duh:

    If a policeman were to taser the child of a caring parent, the parent would feel a much worse pain. It's something that no decent parent would wish upon their child.
    It's not like the girl had a rifle in a clocktower, or some sort of situation that would justify calling the police and suggesting they taser the girl :duh:

    You two are trolling, right? Or have you been beaten across the head too many times perhaps?
     
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