A/V $1299 4K TV

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  1. Picarro

    Picarro What's a Dremel?

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    I could see myself buying one of those to be honest. It ticks all of the boxes:

    4k
    50"
    No smart-tv rubbish
    Cheap
    Somewhat stylish

    The only thing is, does it support HDMi 2.0?
     
  2. Virus44

    Virus44 What's a Dremel?

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    My solution would be move to japan or something surely they will have overkill broadband speeds ?
     
  3. rollo

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    That's a solution if you speak jap I guess.
     
  4. Instagib

    Instagib Minimodder

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    Some form of medium will catch up. Blu ray and hd dvd brought us up to 1080p, so where are we up to with that? What's the next type of disk?
     
  5. rollo

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    If you want it in truly original quality were talking 10tb for a 2 hr film.

    With some codecs your looking around 128gb to 256gb per film, for streaming purposes your looking at a 200megabit connection that you have full uncapped access too.

    There's no current disk technology that can support this level that is cheap. Even duel layer blue ray is not close to it.

    I'd imagine USB flash drives would be one way.

    1080p alone is a 30-40gb blue ray disk so your x 4 for a 4 k film ( assuming same codec) films are already reduced from native 2k, native 4k either by disk or tv is 2020 onwards stuff really.

    And by then 8k will be out and we will be back to square one.
     
  6. Cei

    Cei pew pew pew

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    BluRay can be pushed as high as 1TB, but the issue is cost and players. The BluRay Association is already looking at 4K, so I'd expect a solution in a few years, once 4K TVs actually start becoming mainstream.

    The current stop-gap is the "Mastered for 4K" programme, which Sony are pushing. Films are recorded and mastered in 4K (or higher), and then downscaled to 1080p to create a pristine copy. Upscaling is then done locally, back up to 4K. Obviously it isn't the same as native 4K, but is arguably better than trying to upscale something that was 1080p from the start.

    I'm expecting to see downloads, but done overnight or other such longer periods, rather than the instant-watch that we're becoming used to. Yes, it means some people won't be able to access 4K films if they have a 2Mbit connection, but there's no alternative for native content currently.
     
  7. Picarro

    Picarro What's a Dremel?

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    Well with the new H.265 codec you can have the same quality, but at half the volume. This would bring the 4k movies down to around 100-150 gigs which is "easily" obtainable with todays BluRay standards.
     
  8. Instagib

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    Makes piracy a very time consuming endeavour. Even streaming a 4k film is going to make a mockery of any download caps.
     
  9. AverageNinja

    AverageNinja Almost an EpicNinja

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    LOL, On my bedroom, I still have a TV with a closet on its back, and in the livingroom we finally got a 37" Full HD TV. My parents haven't even heard of WQHD, so 4K is a whole new world for them :p
     
  10. theshadow2001

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    4k, Broadbands Crysis.

    (But can it stream 4k?:p)
     
  11. rollo

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    No codec is the same as a pure quality stream.

    I have blue ray rips that are done with high quality codecs at 10-15mb per sec stream rates. ( we are talking 15gb films ) And they are still worse quality than the native blue ray disk.

    You lose picture / audio quality to get the size down and theres not alot you can do about it if you want a blue ray below 2gb disk space.

    Even blue ray is still not capable of natively transfering the 2k stream that is shown across most cinemas. ( 3d movies is higher rate )

    4mins of raw 1080 fraps data is around 12gb of data for reference. Even just using something as basic as a codec destroys the quality when comparing it even on a monitor and the file is rendered at the same 1080 setting.

    Comparing the 2 on a high end tv set is light and day differences. On a cheapo tv set there may be no difference on a high end 50-60inch set you will tell the difference straight away.

    BD-XL the next blue ray disk is 100gb - 128gb back to 2 disk films would be a guess for first 4k films or double sideded disks they always sucked on dvd.
     
  12. play_boy_2000

    play_boy_2000 It was funny when I was 12

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    I'd be interested to see what a 4k clip encoded at 36mbit/s looked like. For action scenes, it would be crap, unless some sort of buffering (even as little as 64MB) in the player could allow for VBR to exceed 36mbit/s for short periods.

    The real challenge is live TV where everything is CBR & low latency, which destroys codec efficiency.
     
  13. deaglecat

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    Nope HDMI 2.0 is not out yet AFAIK. The PC per review confirms that only 30fps over HDMI due to this limitation.
     
  14. Xir

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    Don't know where you live but my streaming Video doesn't go over 480ish and as everybody is streaming these days and not buffering properly.
    I dare say the two blurays lovefilm sends me per snailmail have a higher average bandwith than my internet connection.
    (~80-100GB in 24 hours isn't that bad) ;)

    The problem is bandwith.
    Which is why I don't understand Apples iPad resolution these days, sure, text looks great but even Blurays will be interpolated.
     
  15. Jaybles

    Jaybles What's a Dremel?

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    I can stream a YT 1080p stream on a 6-7Mbit connection so long as noone else is doing anything. But that's about it. This is rural England.

    Re: The iPad Resolution
    I don't own a tablet but if I did/when I do I will never use it for watching films. Primarily for me it would be a text media consumption device so the resolution makes more sense.

    Anyway I think, in the beginning, 4k will be of most use to gamers.
     
  16. rollo

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    4k will never hit mass market prices if its only gamers buying it.

    As it is a 32 inch 4k screen is nuts, and not really sure I'd want a bigger monitor than that which is already huge for the distance you are from screen.

    Console gaming is at least 2 gens away from 4k. ( none of the information suggests either new console will even upscale to that.)
     

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