Discussion in 'General' started by Jackel, 16 Sep 2002.
As far as the US military. I was recruited hard for the apache heli when I was graduating high school since my vision is (well was) perfect and I scored high on technical side of military apptitude testing (by product of growing up in an aviator household). I would say vision is very important since they can be so selective. As far as private sector, shouldn't be so critical. I was almost on board for signing up for the apache service but I have a bad back and the more I learned about the realities, I shyed away. Apache pilots train and serve with infantry and they sent a video tape simulate what an apache pilot has to process visually to fly. The screen was split in two to simulate what the pilot sees in each eye. One side was the helmet mounted ocular and the other side is what your other eye sees... after about 5 minutes of seeing two totally different kinds of information in each eye nearly made me naucious...
Right, for the RAF you don't actually apply to be a Heli Pilot you aply to be a pilot... once you hae competed basic flight training they move you onto helicopters if you have potential.
From the RAF website:
2 A/A2-levels or 3 Scottish Higher passes, plus 5 GCSEs/SCEs (Grade C/3) including English Language and Maths.
The RAF's Pilot roles are as varied as the aircraft flown. Once you've been through initial training, you'll be selected for the 'fast jet', 'multi-engine' or 'rotary-wing' streams. You'll then do further training on the aircraft type you've been assigned to before becoming combat ready.
for the RAF you have to be an Officer so Initial Officer Training is obligatory (6 months).
For the Army there are two options (most of this is from the army website):
The AAC operates and flies all the Army's helicopters. Its primary function is to destroy enemy armour using attack helicopters - though it has a variety of other roles, including reconnaissance, the provision of airborne command posts and the direction of artillery fire. In addition to flying military helicopters, AAC pilots take on the same management responsibilities as every other Army officer, leading their ground crew, signallers and trainee pilots.
For a Commission you will require a minimum of 140 UCAS Tariff points at A/AS Level, or equivalent, and 5 GCSEs, or equivalent, including Maths, English and either a Science or foreign language. You should have the potential to study for a degree (although a degree is not a requirement).
An ability to remain cool, confident and clear headed under stress is required, together with intelligence, determination and a sense of responsibility and urgency. An interest in and an ability to get on well with people, an awareness of the world around, and cheerfulness are also needed.
One year of initial training at Sandhurst in leadership, Army organisation and the battle skills required by all officers and soldiers. Following Sandhurst you will attend a 16-month fixed wing and helicopter pilots course. This is carried out jointly with Royal Navy and Royal Air Force Officers and Army NCOs. Following the award of wings you will be trained to fly an Army helicopter before being posted to an Army Air Corps Regiment.
Conditions of work:
You can be posted throughout the world either on a permanent posting or on temporary training. As a single officer, your home will be in the Officers Mess; if married you and your family will normally be allocated an Officer family quarter. There will be times when you are required to live under field conditions.
Join as Aviation Aircrew specialist:
Without fuel and ammunition, helicopters like the Lynx might as well be scrap metal. It's the job of the Aviation Groundcrew Specialist to keep them fuelled up, armed and ready to go. Groundcrew might work as part of the Motor Transport section, driving tankers to the next location the helicopters will use. They may also move the helicopters on the ground and camouflage them or operate field communications.
What you need:
A good standard of secondary education
What you can get:
NVQ Level 3 in Telecommunications
Opportunity to specialise later as Doorgunners or undertake pilot training.
As an aircrew officer you will make sure the Navy’s aircraft perform at peak efficiency, whatever the situation. Navy aircraft and crews fly in all weathers, by day and night.
You’ll need to be resourceful and flexible to make the most of the varied roles you’re called upon to play, within your squadron and the ship’s command as well as one of the aircrew.
Whether you’re working as a Pilot or an Observer you’ll be a key part of a dynamic team, working in the air, ashore and afloat.
Aircrew Officer - Pilot
As a Pilot you’ll have the opportunity to fly a range of helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft. You’ll develop a wide range of skills, in order to fly a Sea Harrier at high speeds, land a helicopter on a moving deck in heavy seas, or airlift casualties to safety from ships in distress. Find out more
You need to be aged between 17 and 25 years when you enter the service.
The minimum qualifications required will be 5 GCSEs or equivalent (including Maths and English) and 140 UCAS points.
Heres some links:
Good eyesight is required though so that huge post may be for nohting... Doh!
I am a glorified internet librarian for products 99% of the world is not interested in... and sorry ladies... I'm taken
On the subject of eyesight, to fly the apache you have to develop a binocular rivalry. In other words, you learn to point your eyes in different directions, and take in different information from both at once. An example is one eye is looking outside of the aircraft, focused to infinity, and watching where you're flying the thing, while the other eye is looking at the instruments a couple of feet away, etc..
I wish I had saved that video tape now... It was truly frightening to think that the person that is piloting this thing at something like 140 knots and one eye is seeing everything normally and the other has the front-mount camera image, which could be in any of several modes with critical instrument information transposed on top of that. The camera is controlled by the position of the pilot's head so it is generally pointed in the same direction the other eye is but it could be off a bit or magnified, one of the most bewildering things I have ever seen. The tape said to put your face close enough to the tv screen where each eye is dedicated to each side of the screen for the best simulation.. I don't know how they do it...
i think maths and physics is important to become a pilot
How do you "learn" to move your eyes in different directions? I was under the impression that, unless you had some mutation (note: minor mutation/defect (but obviously not), not mutation - left leg growing out right shoulder) which allowed you to do so, both eyes had to move the same direction.
It can be done....apparently....
Source: Jeremy Clarkson's Extreme Machines
I just had to post on this thread to show off really. Basically I have a defect in my left eye which could have been sorted when I was a toddler, but they said I'd have to wait until I was older... then when I was older they said it could only have been sorted when I was a toddler.... grrrrr.
Anyhoo, it means that while my vision in my right eye is perfect, my left eye sees things a little odd. In daylight it's a bit pooh & everything looks blurry with white lines surrounding objects, but at night it's really quite kewl cos the white lines stay (although they get fainter). So I can see in low light conditions really well.
Cos of this I learnt to switch from right eye to left eye depending on the situation. Normal day at work, use right eye. Walking home in the dark, use left eye. I can't move them independantly unless I have something to focus each eye on, like using a monocular or something.
The thing thats' really hard is to train your brain to cope with the 2 sets of data properly.
Oh and there is a downside. It means I can't see 'Magic Eye' pictures & I have pretty much NO depth perception whatsoever.
Not sure about all the details but Learning to fly in a "welliewopter" in the forces is the best way to go about it because to learn to fly personally to that kind of level will set you back at least £10,000 and that's if you'r really good and take to it like a pig in...
I can't see those "magic eye" things either and I have perfect vision... I don't think those things are real. I believe it is a psycological experiement in peer pressure to see how many people in the room will lie and say "Oh.... yeah, I see it too!"... it's all a conspiracy
I'm with you eddie
No those magic eye things work tbh
I am yet to meet anyone faster than me at seeing them
So what you are saying is your the first person in the room to plant the seed and say... "oh, it's ScoobyDoo wearing boxing gloves" and then everyone else says "yeah, I see it too.."
note to self.... Isaac is honest and Spike's pants are regularly on fire...
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