now your just being ignorant, 80+ is a third party, just like all the other review sites out there. Considering that every power supply built in the past 3 years wears one of their badges I'm sure they are more credible. The PCP&P unit has an 84% eff, proven by 80+, Anandtech, and Guru. As for HX650 the results are still out but 80+ has it at 83%. It is highly unlikely that a card with a single 8pin or 2x8pin is unlikely to ever happen. Which is why 4x8pin is pointless, the most someone will ever need is 2x6pin+2x8pin, or 4x6pin.