Ah yes, the classic 'GeForce vs ATI' argument. I don't want this to turn into a 'fanboy fight' as it were - rather I'd like some actual facts on both cards, the Pro's and Con's of each... I'm looking at getting either GIGABYTE ATI RADEON X800 PRO Video Card, 256MB GDDR3, 256-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "GV-R80P256D" -RETAIL Model# GV-R80P256D Item # N82E16814125135 Specifications: Chipset/Core Speed: ATI RADEON X800PRO/475MHz Memory/Effective Speed: 256MB GDDR3/900MHz BUS: AGP 8X Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub) + TV-Out(S-Video/Composite Out) + DVI Support 3D API: DirectX 9.0, OpenGL 2.0 Cable/Accessories: Manual, 7 CD, 4 Cables, S-Video to Composite-Out Adapter, DVI to VGA Adapter Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536@66Hz OR ASUS nVIDIA GeForce 6800 Video Card, 256MB DDR3, 256-Bit, TV-Out/DVI, 8X AGP, Model"V9999 Gamer Edition/TD/256M" -RETAIL Model# V9999 GE/TD/256M Item # N82E16814121172 Specifications: Chipset/Core Speed: nVIDIA GeForce 6800/350MHz Memory/Effective Speed: 256MB DDR3/1000MHz BUS: AGP 4X/8X Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub) + TV-Out (S-Video/Composite) + DVI Support 3D API: DirectX 9, OpenGL 1.5 Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536 Cable/Accessories: S-Video Cable, DVI to VGA adaptor, Manual, Driver CD, Games, Free Webcam Which will be better for gaming? As I understand it nVidia currently pwnz for Doom 3 but ATI will be better for Half-Life 2. I Will be playing Doom 3 more so I'm leaning towards the nVidia card. It's also less expensive which I accredit to the slower core speed. But based on those stats, which card is better?
well the x800 is good in different tests, and the 6800 is better in others. However i think that overall the x800 is better due to its smaller size and decent power usage. Of coarse it can be argued that the 6800 has better driver support.
The 6800GT is without doubt my choice there, it's a 16 pixel-pipeline card and will pretty much *definately* clock to 400/1100 (baseline 6800 Ultra speeds), the X800 PRO would require a 693MHz core speed in order to run at the same theoretical speed as an X800 XT Platinum Edition. It's not a VIVO card so is unlikely to mod via a bios flash... the ATI performance hack for DOOM 3 does not bring them up to the same level as their NVIDIA counterpart... The power requirements for the 6800GT are a non-issue in my opinion, providing you've got a 350W PSU, you won't have a problem running the 6800GT I ran a 6800 Ultra on a 350W Antec True Power PSU with an FX53, 2 raptors, and all of the extra gubbins... There's no such thing as OpenGL 2.0 yet, the standard is OpenGL 1.5 still. ATI are finding it harder to catch up in DOOM 3 than NVIDIA will in Half-Life 2... the GeForce FX was noticably slower than the R3x0 in HL2, but the architecture of the NV40 is more like an R3x0 than it is a GeForce FX. The majority of reviewers have said the 6800GT is the current best buy, and it out performs the X800 PRO in just about every benchmark out there at the moment.
one of those 6800 votes came form myself as well tbh, this isnt really a voting sort of issue, it would be better to look at the replies of the thread and make your descision based on those. The power issues about the 6800GT are a myth really. the idle power usage is *lower* than that of a 9800XT and the load usage is slightly higher. With an uber-clocked 6800 ultra you would want a hefty power supply, but one getting a 6800 ultra would likely have a hefty one anyway. the power issue really isnt that big of a deal tbh, provided that you dont have an el-cheapo 220w generic one.
This is going to sound silly, but I think one of the big issues with ati and nvidia right now is........... the xbox. I was reading somewhere that since the xbox uses an nvidia based card (albeit a very old one by PC standards) that it is in the game developers best interests to code for there driver chipsets than ati. Xbox games, in most cases, outsell PC games by a pretty good degree, so it makes sense. I've always been an nvidia supporter, ever since some tool at EB suggested I buy the original geforce from his store. I checked around, and said "damn" and bought it off some online site. Size of the card is kinda moot imo, anyone spending that kind of $ on a graphics card is most likely not using some POS branded computer, and space is not a concern. I suppose if you wanted to have a waterblock inside your case it might be an ordeal, but blah.
Yeah I know that I shouldn't base my decision off the poll alone - there could be fanboys running around Thanks for the opinions though, keep 'em coming.
I never said I was.. you were the one referring to the doom 3 hack, I was merely stating the facts about the doom 3 hack
Considering you are going to be spending a HUGE ammount of money on ether of these cards youll want it to be semi "future-proof" (if there is such a thing). OpenGL 2.0 has been released and i have a feeling that its prob the reason why ATI is going to work better on ATI cards. (just a feeling in my bones but prob completely faulse ) Go with the ATI card....no wiat...Nvidia.....no...ARG!!! its all so difficult http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/10/opengl_2/
that was posted 3hrs after I posted thanks for the link. OpenGL 2.0 won't be used in games for a while yet, DOOM 3 is based on OpenGL 1.5 if I'm not mistaken, and it'll take a while for things to move in that direction if, of course, game developers can be drawn away from DirectX code paths.
lol..yea ive just realised that and i do agree that its going to take a while before anything uses the damm thing. just like PS 3.0 and every other development. LONG LIVE New Technology
X800 here, without a doubt. Try and get the VIVO version if you can, most are very successful flashing it to XT. The Asus card is NOT a GT...it is a 6800, with 256MB of RAM and overclocked to GT speeds...still 12 pipes. I saw the card, and thought it was pretty impressive, so I checked it out on Asus' site...and I thought it odd that 'GT' wasn't mentioned anywhere (considering it says Ultra on the V9999 Ultra page)...I'd think GT would be a big selling point considering how hot they are right now. So I e-mailed Asus. No response. I then come across a review of the card...which shows it getting smoked by a regular PNY 6800GT. The review goes on to explain that it is only a souped-up 6800. I knew there was something fishy as soon as I read the page on Asus' site. 'Gamer Edition' my arse, trying to pass it off as a GT at GT prices too. I'll try and find the link again.
I agree about the x800. Aside from the chance to flash it to an XT, it: Takes less power Takes less space (one-slot cooling) Runs cooler Tends to overclock quite well
great spot have you got a link to the review as I'm intregued here I'm certainly not a fan of misinformation, and based on the facts that I had on the table at the time, I made a wrong "assumption" that the Asus 6800 was a 6800 GT... hmmmm, not good marketing I'm afraid
I think I found the review. It seems a bit deliberate, considering they clocked it exactly to GT speeds, and used 256MB of 1000MHz DDR3 instead of the 6800's regular 128MB of 700MHz of DDR. It comes with two power connectors, and is near GT level when overclocked though. I just don't like the fact that it seems they're trying to pass it off as a GT. Here is a link to the page on Asus' site. EDIT: I wonder if this card might be a case like the X800 Pro VIVO, flashable to an Ultra or GT?
thanks for the link.. you could quite possibly be able to enable the extra 4 pixel-pipelines using the new build of rivatuner... Linky if you didn't see it
Just read their review... find it hard to believe what they concluded... The 6800GT is aimed to be $400 in the US, ASUS are pricing the V9999 GE at $399... they go on to say this: What a load of you know what
Believe it or not, I voted for the GT, it does definitely have an edge over the standard X800 Pro. Against the X800 Pros with VIVO that mod to 16 pipes and clock higher than XT default, it swings the other way for me, but there's no doubt that the GT is a very strong card.
