WOW! Just read this thread and its made me laugh and I'm really not going to get involved in the Folders V Non-Folders debate but I do suggest that anyone that is totally 'Anti-Folding' get their opinions across on here as you will get a lot more answers than any of us can give you on here - http://foldingforum.org/ It will be interesting to see what's said so please feel free to link us over there with any relevant info you may have found out