What if he didn't know it was stolen? It doesn't matter anyway, the precedent has already been set by the judge questioning ACS's reasoning. When the final judgement is known later we will have a clearer picture.
Guns are probably the wrong thing to compare to due to the very strict laws governing ownership. If someone stole a knife from my house and then went on to murder someone with it, would I be liable?
No, because you didn't make the knife available for someone to use. If you'd left it outside and someone had used it to murder someone, I can see you being charged with something criminal...
lol charged with what ? what if i left my gardening pitch fork in my garden over night and its used to murder someone. exactly what law am i breaking ?
I think interpretation of the law can be summed up with a Pirates of the Caribbean quote. Elizabeth: Wait! You have to take me to shore. According to the Code of the Order of the Brethren... Barbossa: First, your return to shore was not part of our negotiations nor our agreement so I must do nothing. And secondly, you must be a pirate for the pirate's code to apply and you're not. And thirdly, the code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules. Welcome aboard the Black Pearl, Miss Turner .
Something criminal????? You must be having a laugh. Whats next? I leave my car keys in my car, some thieving scumbag steals it, mows down an old lady and kills her. By your logic I am liable?
Guns are governed by different laws, IIRC in this case even if your house was locked and your gun was used for a crime you are liable if you do not report the gun as stolen. (please some one correct me if I am wrong) What the MPAA and RIAA have succeed in doing is changing laws so that you are liable for everything that happens with your connection, even if it was hacked.
Yes but in the US, Big Business runs your government. The same occurs over here but more outrage occurs. People are still miffed with the Digital Economy Act because we as citizens had to no say in its implimentation as it was rushed through the last government. But there's a huge base of people challenging its laws.
Of course not but I doubt your insurance company would look too kindly on your claim. "I had my car stolen... I left the keys in it, had the engine running, etc. but I'm sure I made every effort to secure it." So liable for the damage to your car, maybe. Back to the knife, if you leave an offensive weapon lying around where someone can easily take it, that sounds like negligence to me. Someone takes it, uses it to stab someone, have you thought about what if they bring it back? Try explaining how that one happened - "Yes officer, it is my knife and that is the victim's blood. No, it wasn't me, I just left it outside for anyone to use." Yeah, I can see you being charged with something criminal.
Yep. Or drive around until you find an unsecured wifi connection and download anything you want or initiate "Anonymous" web attacks.
I challenge you to find even one article (about a British incident) that backs up a word you have said. You won't find one because you are talking mince.
actually it depends if you leave your keys in your car with the engine running and someone steals it, the offence you have committed is called quitting. and there is always the aiding and abetting if they want to get funny about it
Quitting is a completely different thing from what we are discussing. If I just left my keys in the car I have not committed any offence. I was asking for an example of someone being charged of a criminal offence for someone using there knife. And to sp4nky, what exactly would the charge be? "You are charged with being the victim of a theft"?
well you didnt state wether the engine was running or not, which is why i said "it depends if you" . aiding and abetting would be valid, as most people know if they don't secure their wireless network, then it is liable to be used by someone else, and they could be using it for illegal purposes. and anyone who says they didn't know others could use their network, doesn't watch/read the news.
i can't it hasn't happened yet, it would need a test case to brought about, by people who know enough about the law and technology, with judges that also know about technology. it will happen eventually. i just hope acs law aren't reading this, and i've given them an idea
