News AMD boasts of Ryzen-backed growth, still makes a loss

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  1. bit-tech

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  2. blackerthanblack

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    I'd say all in all, it is looking fairly bright in the short term for AMD, these figures won't have Epyc, TR or Vega, and I'd imagine even Ryzen will have a ramp up rather than a step change in sales, alongside a ramp up in production. Given that the APU's should also arrive soon, then AMD can at last offer the full range of genuinely competing products.

    The Intel cutting prices has been discussed many times and while I'm sure there will be some small level of discounting, I think they are more likely just to offer some more cores and 'features' to keep their customers happy. It will be disastrous day at Intel if they ever feel the need to operate on the kind of margins many others have to...
     
  3. Wakka

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    It's definitely APU's and server stuff that are going to be the real money makers for AMD. Let's be honest, Ryzen has been great for us enthusiasts, but what proportion of the market do we make up? 5%?

    APU's will sell like hotcakes for decently powerful, do-it-all laptops and desktops that will be ideal for creative work-spaces and educational institutes... Though I am a bit worried that they won't be as energy efficient as they could/should be - Polaris wasn't exactly superb in it's performance per watt, and Vega looks god awful.
     
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    Yeah Enterprise Zen, Enterprise Vega, and APU's are where the money will be I think. While enthusiast Vega has a question mark over it, I don't think anyone has been complaining about its' place in the commercial sector (I may be wrong here as I've not kept up to date with this area) - enthusiast stuff still has a halo effect, of course, so that may affect overall sales.

    I have better hopes that they will be able to get a reasonably performing cut down Vega into their APU's. Offering that package for laptop OEM's should be enticing for them to take up and would offer AMD a real chance to get a good performance/price advantage over comparative Intel and Nvidia products.
     
  5. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

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    Is the 33% around half of Intel common knowledge? what's lower than common as IDK Intel's profit margins were so high, i can see why people accuse them of price gouging, or are such profit margin standard and my knowledge is lower than whatever's under common knowledge. :)

    Back OT it's nice to see AMD heading in the right direction and the good news reflected in their share prices, hope they can keep it up.
     
  6. rollo

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    Vega looks like the old Nvidia 400 series, hot and power hungry. With pricing rumours suggesting a £650 launch price.

    That's 1080ti money for a 30% slower card who are they smoking if they think anyone will buy it. If it launches above £550 it's dead on arrival. Simple as that.

    I do not think AMD will get ryzen and vega onto a apu without a lot of compromise. Most of there old APUs offered pretty low end graphics that were faster than Intel but destroyed by any dedicated card. Cannot see why this would change.
     
  7. hyperion

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    Have you seen what 480s and 580s are currently going for? Vega will probably launch high and drop to a reasonable price once mining settles down again
     
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    The rumoured RRP of the card is $650 this will directly translate to £650 in this country if true. I am well aware what sites are charging due to mining craze.

    Does not make Vega a better priced card if those rumours are true ( from the same site that give the exact ryzen cpu prices, so little reason to doubt it)

    It's 1080ti money for 1080 performance that does not fly in the real world and the fact AMD are using blind testing does indicate where they are looking to price the card.

    Reasonable price for AMD to get market share is around £480 ( or less) which is about £20 less than the 1080 currently sells for.

    Most AMD fans think Nvidia over priced there cards, if Vega launches at the figures quoted who is over priced.
     
  9. IamSoulRider

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    I'm not an AMD 'fan', but I am a bang for buck fan, medium to highend, and I think Nvidia over-price their cards. I will also think AMD overprice their cards if Vega comes out as hot, hungry and highly priced for the performance as widely suspected..
     
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    If you're talking bang per buck at the medium to high end, you're always going to be disappointed, as it's always diminishing returns as you go up the product stack - and all companies are guilty of this (nVidia and AMD for GPUs and Intel and AMD for CPUs). But I do agree that the price/performance ratios start climbing uncomfortably once you get past, say, 1070 level (current mad prices notwithstanding). Part of this is a function of AMD not offering enough GPU competition at this tier, unfortunately. Now that we've seen AMD's CPU offerings shaking up Intel's pricing, I'd love to see similar happening on the GPU side, but sadly it looks as if Vega isn't going to manage that :(
     
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