People arguing over silly things lol But the real thing that will show if this is a success or not is sales, AMD needs a good quater or its stock price could see a 1 dollar a share which would not be good. For everyones sake AMD needs to be at least semi competitive with Intel, It will never hold the out and out performance crown ever again anyone expecting as much is in LALA land. Intels true high end the 6 core series of cpus has never been matched by a single AMD product for there purposes ( High end video work, CAD work to name 2 things ) AMD admited themselves they are not competing for this market no more. This is a good CPU with poor power usage and some people will pay the £20-£30 for better power usage on a chip that will last you 3-4 years minimum. Unless your on the bleeding edge of required performance in which case you wouldnt be buying amd in the first place, CPU performance comes down to 2-3 things. Power usage + Thermals overclocking ability Single threaded performance ( Where 80% of most peoples needs are ) Basic video and photo editing work Gaming. CPU hits 3 of the 5 above thats not bad at all in my book.