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News AMD unveils Ryzen processors, boasts of Intel-beating performance

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Gareth Halfacree, 14 Dec 2016.

  1. impar

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    They did give up the settings. Read that link.
     
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    My bad. Not used to having to go by timestamps to figure out which was before and which was after Cheesecake.

    :wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:
     
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    I saw this the other day early engineering samples. The gaming results ( the bit I care for these days) where not impressive. AMD will need at least a chip capable of 4ghz to compete with Intel under gaming. ( which is a large part of the enthusiast market)

    The latest chip easily does 4.8ghz with no effort even a downvolt looking at reviews. And boosts to 4.5 ghz to begin with.

    AMD could win the core race but lose the ghz race.
     
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    If they lose the MHZ race it will be the biggest slice of irony in history. Even their 8 core heaters got to 5ghz easily on an AIO.
     
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    96 degrees under water when overclocked (latest intel chip that is)

    edit: also , the clocks are 10% lower than retail, so you want to improve the scores , and turbo isn't working properly
     
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    Wonder if that'll be this gen's 'excuse'... [Ry]Zen's version of 'the CMT Module support isn't quite there yet... but when it is...' that accompanied Bulldozer...

    Intel's current excuse seems to be the TIM between the die and heatspreader, if all else fails blame any problems on that.
     
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    At 5.1ghz with a huge voltage. At 4.8 it's clocked below stock volts and under 70c.

    Which still seems crazy in truth, my 6700k is 20c idle and the highest recorded temp on prime is around 55c all cores. Not even on anything special corsair all in one job.
     
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    4 cores 4ghz base for no more than £199 seems to be the minimum requirements to have a credible competitor for the 6600k (and its kaby lake equivalent).

    For the eight core versions it will matter a bit less since intel heavily cuts back clock speeds on their chips and the full turbo isn't available to all cores and so on, not even to mention that they turn into a furnace when oc'd and cost several organs.
     
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    The only thing I don't get from AMD fans is why they expect a 6900k beating cpu to be half the price. 4 core 8 threads for £200 seems realistic, with maybe the 6 core 12 core priced around Intels area. To expect there top end chip to be half the cost of Intels seems a bit insane to me.

    Same thing happens in gpus everyone expects AMD to massively undercut nvidia just cause, no reason is ever given for this logic. In reality the 480 and 1060 are very similar in price, as were the fury x and 980ti.

    Also with the weak pound we will likely see a near 1-1 price conversion then VAT added on top.
     
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    That is all any one has ever expected from AMD and why, even when it was ATI, they lost money on the 5000 series GPUs. Even though they were a country mile in front of Nvidia's best offering (the GTX 285) and so on they still made hardly any money.

    It's Mindshare that Intel and Nvidia have. And AMD will never get that no matter how hard they try. Enthusiasts will always go for an AMD product if they are better or offer the best performance for the money, brainless people who don't read into it will buy Nvidia no matter what the cost. That is why the GTX 260 was more popular than the Radeon 5850.

    Lisa Su can say what she likes really. About it not being cheap. They literally need to offer the same performance at half the price if they think it will sell. And because of that the profit margin will shrink to ****.

    If they are even within a whiff of Intel pricing people will just go "Ah well" and then buy Intel.

    Nvidia and Intel got where they are by talking smack, kicking ass and taking numbers. AMD do that too, apart from the kicking ass part. I think they forgot somewhere that it's only ever a good idea to talk smack if you have the faster product. Maybe then people will listen to you.

    When you get so good at bullsh****g that you can make more money from Fermi than AMD made on a much better tech? then you have mastered it.
     
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    Can AMD truly survive long term like this, as most android manufactures have now realised making basically nothing per phone sold is not a long term route to sustained success. Apple has what 15% market share and dominates profits.

    Getting the brand out of the gutter must be a long term goal and look towards a more sustainable future for AMD.

    If Samsung released amds cpu and gpu under there name they would sell for more money and more off them is the crazy thing.
     
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    Don't forget just how absurd the price scaling is with Intel,

    Sub £400 Broadwell-E Six core

    Add two extra cores and the price more than doubles...

    Nah, they can't and desperately need something they can charge actual money for.

    Bit of an apples to oranges situation, Samsung, ZTE and so on only get money from the initial sale of the phone while the profit from the app store gets siphoned off by Google, but Apple gets money for both.
     
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    Turbo not working properly on a lower clocked engineering sample....

    wait till retail
     
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    They will never win against Nvidia. Ever.

    If it weren't for the consoles then they would have gone ages ago. At least with those they can make some money.
     
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    Looks like the high end one. Bet it won't come cheap.
     

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