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Anonymous Attacks Child Porn Websites

Discussion in 'Serious' started by lp1988, 25 Oct 2011.

  1. M7ck

    M7ck Ⓜod Ⓜaster

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    Please don't compare them dude, being a poof is perfectly legal. Anything sexual concerning children is not.
     
  2. Sloth

    Sloth #yolo #swag

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    Being suspicious of others who might potentially harm your children is nothing new. On a daily basis parents shield their children from harm in various ways. Making sure they know what adults to contact in an emergency, to stay away from strangers, not letting them trick or treat at the creepy neighbor's house. All perfectly fine.

    Now, beating your creepy neighbor to a pulp because he likes kids and you think he might do something to your child? That's hate crime territory right there.
    Read his post.

    There is nothing illegal about being sexually attracted to either children or people of the same sex. A paedophile (by definition as one who is attracted to children) who is not in possesion of child pornography, has not molested a child, or committed any other crime has done nothing wrong. Without proof of such wrong doing why should it be okay to persecute such a person?
     
  3. M7ck

    M7ck Ⓜod Ⓜaster

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    I have to disagree, any ******* who is sexually attracted to a child should be shot immediately through the head. These scumbags have no place on this earth. I would happily go to jail for killing a paedophile.

    EDIT

    All you sickos who have tried to defend/justify paedos are now on my block list. You guys are nearly as bad.
     
  4. Sloth

    Sloth #yolo #swag

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    Aaaaand there go any hopes of rational discussion.
     
  5. KayinBlack

    KayinBlack Unrepentant Savage

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    That's roughly like saying I'd gladly go to jail for killing an unmedicated schizophrenic.

    You're letting a personal prejudice stand in the way of a discussion on the ethics of the treatment of mentally ill people. Science can already state their brains don't work like the average populace, so there's plenty beyond their control. Or wait, let's get Down Syndrome kids, they're also born with brains that don't function like ours.

    We're talking about a random change in an individual that they didn't ask for that causes them to wish to commit a behavior we have criminalized, without a second thought as to why or how. Not to say we should condone the behavior-it's directly harmful to the children, but we have a plea of insanity for a reason. Last I checked, insanity wasn't one of the things we seek for ourselves. (if you're going to ask what's the difference in that and homosexuality by those standards, I know of no reason that homosexuality is harmful-which simply makes them different from the "average.")

    But instead, we talk about a premeditated act of murder aimed at a person who whether they control those impulses or not are ridden by a recognized mental illness. That's a pretty heinous crime. So long as a person's alive, they can move on with their lives, at least to some extent. They can't if they're dead.

    On a side note, whatever happened to the concept of paying one's debt to society? I thought that was how it worked-you do your time, you have done what society has considered restitution, you go on with your life.

    I'm sure Nexxo will chime in with something similar. Our training was rather similar.
     
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  6. dark_avenger

    dark_avenger Minimodder

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    The thing that's got me confused is if a couple of script kiddies can find all theses sites and shut them down then what the *&^* have the police been doing?
     
  7. thehippoz

    thehippoz What's a Dremel?

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    using them :hehe:
     
  8. StingLikeABee

    StingLikeABee What's a Dremel?

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    Most probably correct, although I doubt in the same way I'm guessing you jokingly mean. The networks paedophiles use are very likely to be a wealth of intelligence for the various law enforcement agencies, and I know of several cases of child abuse that were brought to light from evidence which was discovered online. Would we have had the same results had the paedophiles not used the internet to peddle images of the child abuse? The further we drive paedophiles underground, the harder it is to catch them.
     
  9. mvagusta

    mvagusta Did a skid that went for two weeks.

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    @darkavenger: The police are like soldiers, as in they do all the dirty work that their employers tell them to do.

    I like what anon are doing with this, they please me sometimes.

    There's nothing wrong in my eyes with a child giving another child a hug or kiss, but children are supposed to be supervised... so there should never be situations where young children are even getting close to engaging in sexual activity, imo.

    Now if an adult feels sexually attracted to a child, that says a lot about the mental health of that adult. If an adult acts on these imo sick desires, well that's what I call very unfairly taking advantage of a child. I think most people would beat the living crap out of any adult they witnessed molesting a child.

    I even have the similar opinions about adults that marry children, and even parents that deny children any freedom, at all, with the sole intention of keeping their child a virgin until their wedding day.
    It's not fair on the child at all.

    If someone wants to remain a virgin until they are married, well that's fine of course.
     
  10. sp4nky

    sp4nky BF3: Aardfrith WoT: McGubbins

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    I'm with you on this one. Anyone recall the story of the vigilante mob that attacked the home of a paediatrician because they were too stupid to realise this was a doctor specialised in the care and treatment of children? If she'd been at home when the mob attacked, well I hate to think what might have happened.

    Now just think, what if Anonymous includes a couple of false positives in their list of paedo site users? You know, people they've just got a grudge against. Do you think a lynch mob is going to listen to pleas of innocence?
     
  11. Lord-Vale3

    Lord-Vale3 His Tremendousness

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    I like that Anon are taking action to hurt the pedophiles. However, I think it would be more useful for them to be quiet about it. Don't shut down the sites or alert the users to the breach. Instead, uncover the stuff and give it to the authorities.

    It may enable the FBI / foreign organizations with the same job to get these people more easily. Government institutions can do a lot more hurt to these insects, put them in jail for a long time.

    All Anon can really do is temporarily take away a source of 'entertainment' for these freaks to jack off to, or just scare them.

    I'd be much more satisfied to know that these creeps are being punished for life for their crimes against humanity, instead of just having a day of trouble getting their fix.
     
  12. dark_avenger

    dark_avenger Minimodder

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    +1
     
  13. mvagusta

    mvagusta Did a skid that went for two weeks.

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    Like Spanky mentioned, we shouldn't be attacking anyone without solid proof.

    What if for example, someone hacks into a wireless network somewhere, and uses that to visit one of these nasty sites? Many people could easily seem guilty based on their IPs, but maybe none of them are actually downloaded or uploaded what their router did... there'd also be a heap of different ways that the true criminals could hide their tracks.

    Attacking the websites seems like a good idea to me, the more difficult it is for this stuff to go on, the better.
     
  14. lp1988

    lp1988 Minimodder

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    As I said. I know it is a double standard, there is really no way ethically I can defend it, but that is just how I would react. I do stress though that a case as such it would only be in a case were children has been wronged and he has been proven to have done it. If there were any doubt about the circumstances it is a completely different story.

    Yes you are right, but that is simply not how I do and would react.

    Sadly we kinda do.
    There is really nothing the police/FBI/CIA whatever can do they are not allowed to search places without a warrant, and even with a warrant how would they search servers in Russia? And hacking or any other form of breaking into the servers is forbidden as well. they can really do nothing against these people.

    Good point to raise, we have to be clear of who we are talking about. we all have our fetishes and weird thoughts. Sometimes I do feel like punching someone but where it becomes wrong is whenever I decide to act on the thought. We cannot punish people for thinking only for acting.

    However it is worth mentioning that at least in Danish law you are only considered a paedophile if you do have some sort sexual interaction with children. If you only have porn you are prosecuted under a law regarding ownership of illegal materials. So whenever I say a paedophile I am talking about those acting on their lust, and that is where the garden scissors comes into play.
     
  15. unknowngamer

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    There are a few issues.

    People don't get mutch choice in who they are attracted to, If you like men, women, black, white. Alot of it is conditioned by your upbringing, which you don't get to control.

    most peadophiles were abused, is that their fault? Dose that make it their victims fault?
    Having uncle harry come into your room when your 6 and abuse you for 8 years makes it the norm... It's going to screw up what your thought paterns are.

    So Billy gets 10 years of abuse from uncle harry, most of his life this has happened and it is the norm (btw iiirc 80% of abuse is from family and close freinds). He gets to uni and leaves hone to find it isn't the norm, infact isn't the norm. What has been the way he gets support and affection is wrong, so wrong he can't talk about it. He has seen the way an adult gets affection and sexual satisfaction is by abusing young boys, it's whats he's been shown for 10 years. But what has seen normal is wrong.

    If you were harry would you seek help. Would you tell some you fancied young boys?

    The way people react to peadophiles makes them want to hide and not get help, Drives them underground, away from any support.


    Peadophiles are unwell people, normally conditioned by years of abuse, they need help and support.

    Scaring them into secret underground groups is the worst thing we can do. They will meet more people like them and re-inforce the normailty of an abnormal situation.


    Peadophile bashing is making a bad situation worse.



    As a father of 2 young kids could I control my anger if they were abused? I doubt it.

    But I wouldn't go kicking in the door if it romoured the guy down the street was a peadophile.
     
  16. Byron C

    Byron C Official Necromancer

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    I would defend the person, but not what they have done. If this is the attitude you bring to a debate then please feel free to keep me blocked.

    This forum's rep system sucks sometimes - it won't let me give you any more rep! ;)

    Even with solid proof or a conviction, we still shouldn't be attacking people - either physically or electronically.

    Vigilante justice does no one any favours, no matter what their suspected/actual crime is. You wouldn't expect a lynch mob composed of shop owners to chase down a convicted shoplifter, so why should we expect it with those convicted of child abuse or sex offences. Yes, I do include rapists in that definition. It is certainly not the action you would expect from a civilised and just society.
     
  17. Nealieboyee

    Nealieboyee Packaging Master!

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    What good does the justice system actually do anyway. Most of these pedos get off or get early release etc. I say let anon have them like a dog with a bone.

    I don't like the fact that these criminals are collectively seen as "mentally ill" and "need help". Bulls**t. They made the conscious decision to view little children or touch children etc. They have robbed these kids of potentially a normal life..




    My opinion....
     
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  18. mvagusta

    mvagusta Did a skid that went for two weeks.

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    I don't care what excuses murderers and rapists have, and I don't care what excuses they make.
    If they really didn't have a choice, they wouldn't go out of their way to avoid witnesses when committing the crimes, and they wouldn't have any restraint when they are standing in the middle of a public area, etc.

    Once someone has gone way over the line, such as murdering innocent people, or raping people, be it adult or child, they no longer have any right to live on this planet imo. Throw them onto the heap of coal at an electricity plant, let them go out helping society for a change.
     
  19. erratum1

    erratum1 What's a Dremel?

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    You could have the same hatred for a man that likes other mans bum holes, it's not rational to just hate without trying to understand.

    But I agree that someone that enjoys hurting and killing children is sick in the head.
     
  20. StingLikeABee

    StingLikeABee What's a Dremel?

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    This I agree with. we have too many criminals hiding behind the "I didn't mean to, god told me to do it, I couldn't help myself" crap. It seems that the world is full of people who want to try and "understand" the logic behind paedophiles, and "help" them. These people fail to see that there really are some truly nasty people, who are beyond redemption. The truth is that paedophiles are devious and dangerous, and while the shrinks are scratching their heads and pondering how to treat them, there are many walking the streets who will turn into predators. Any person who sexually assaults a child, or is involved in distributing child porn, should be locked up for the rest of their natural lives. It's the only 100% effective safeguard against these people committing further crimes against children. Re-offending rates of paedophiles is pretty damned scary, and often they will escalate their crimes too. I'm not suggesting we lock everyone up who has paedophile tendencies, I'm suggesting that anyone who acts on their tendencies and commits a crime should be.
     

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