Another violence in videogames discussion

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  1. Nexxo

    Nexxo * Prefab Sprout – The King of Rock 'n' Roll

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    I guess they subscribe to Finkelhor's Four Preconditions for sexual abuse model (1984), which involves (as precondition 2) 'overcoming internal inhibitions' by exposure to the (in)appropriate sexual imagery and material to get them in the mood, so to speak. There is a mental rehearsal element to that as well.

    What many people fail to understand is the direction of the relationship: sexual abusers seek out violent sexual images to stimulate and enable them to carry out the act. However violent sexual imagery does not necessarily result in sexual abuse. Not only sexual abusers watch such images (the S&M crowd, who they were primarily created for, do for one) and when they occur in more mainstream stories and images they are not meant to elicit arousal but shock. As you say, they serve to illustrate and convey crisis or violation.

    The danger that groups like EN might reasonably point out is that if such material becomes commonplace, it may become acceptable and perhaps even normalised. I'm not sure how that would work with Hentai or fantasy rape, in which the imagery is so outlandishly surreal (I'll never look at squid the same way again) or, well, cheezy, that it is hard to imagine how anyone can take that as representative of real-world sexual violent acts. Still, nutters exist, and the sexualisation of women in other imagery has definitely had an effect on how they are treated in society.

    The solution to that may not be to hide such material in dark seedy corner shops any more than putting women in burka's stops them from being sexualised. It is just done in a more suppressed (and hypocritical, hence suppressive) manner. Japan may have Hentai, but most men still appear able to behave themselves (mostly). Perhaps the solution is for people to grow up into adults and learn to tell fantasy from reality. Or perhaps we really need some of those robot geishas.

    Ironically, the problem is virtual parents. :p

    Oh, no! FRIED SHRIMP!!! :hehe:
     
  2. thehippoz

    thehippoz What's a Dremel?

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    sounds like his parents spoiled him and showed him no manners or decency- this has nothing to do with games.. a good beatdown would have probably helped this mental midget (if you can even help a psycho after a certain age) parents can't even spank their kids legally anymore

    remember the spankings you got as a kid? I do :D and I also remember ending up with a strong set of principles.. I think if you don't hate your parents by the time you come out of highschool, they haven't done their job right.. everyone needs a good swift kick to the ass every now and then to keep it real
     
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    thehippoz What's a Dremel?

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    lol well.. exactly
     
  5. Mr Flibbles

    Mr Flibbles I'm not part of the solution....

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    +rep!
     
  6. DXR_13KE

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    did i get it right?:jawdrop:
     
  7. Prestidigitweeze

    Prestidigitweeze "Oblivion ha-ha" to you, too.

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    The answer is yes, of course. The hints to the riddle dangled before us like Xmas tree ornaments, which is why I'd mistakenly thought any invitation to solve it was rhetorical.

    You're the right person to have done the job. You also looked impressive doing so, since you live in Portugal: Unless you're an emigre, you wouldn't be expected to know every inflection of tone and nuance of usage in English.

    And yet you knew!
     
  8. Mr Flibbles

    Mr Flibbles I'm not part of the solution....

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    yes :thumb:
     
  9. DXR_13KE

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    I am 100% product of Madeira.

    I learned English by hearing people talking on the TV and repeating my self in front of a tape recorder, that I still have, and hear it to see if i said it correctly and correct my self, i further expanded my vocabulary by playing video games, watching movies and by writing and reading on English forums, such as this one.

    I have heard people say that people from Madeira have an easier time learning other languages (especially English).


    I thought that it was translated far more times between languages... back and forth, left and right, up and down, and ass f***ed in every way possible and imaginary and then made law and God's word by millions of people that auto denominate them selves as the "sheep" and God as the "good shepherd"...

    :sigh:
     
  10. Mr Flibbles

    Mr Flibbles I'm not part of the solution....

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    Still has lots of violence, more than a video game/film or anything recently released IMO.
     
  11. Nexxo

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  12. Jozo

    Jozo This is bit-tech

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    How was that video with "CS for kids" called? I remember someone posting it in another violence thread
     
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    you see, a lot of (miss-informed) people seem to be missing the point. It's not the fact that GTA might make a child into a complete psycho and go on a murder spree, It's that face they can play these games that are clearly aimed (and rated) for adults.
    Part of that is due to the fact most game stores (those that sell videogames, not just the brand) will sell anything to anyone.

    But more importantly (in my mind) the fact that parents will happily buy gta e.t.c for their young kids.
    Like the outrage at the hot coffee mod in GTA:SA. I mean the game revolves around killing people, dealing drugs and being an overall bad person, but a little kinky sex? WOAH WOAH don't let our kids near that ****. Parents need to be much better informed about what they let their kids play.

    I think the taboo's are the wrong way around, sex, something that more or less everyone does and enjoys, is somehow a horror to let our kids see, yet running around with an AK is not much of a problem.
     
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    Kiytan: Actually that's very much american media for you. Violence, sure go for it. Sex, EVIL NO!

    Overall I do agree, it is the parents who need to be aware of what these games are, and check that they are ok with their children playing them. My folks always looked into the games I played, and made sure I was aware that they are just games, and really shooting people or using chainsaws on them was bad.
     
  16. TheMusician

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    Very true. If someone doesn't have that understanding, they are in no place to be playing such video games in the first place.
     
  17. Prestidigitweeze

    Prestidigitweeze "Oblivion ha-ha" to you, too.

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    Never mind the damage that visits kiddies whose parents gasp, froth and rant at whatever random sexual material or act has just been experienced. Parental tantrums only ensure the long-term influence of such experience, investing it with timeless power, and stirring in extra shame to further cripple said kiddies' ability to focus on anything else.

    According to Dudley Moore, his mother once told him not to masturbate at the exact moment when a coloratura soprano happened to be milking her range: "Listen, a woman is singing the highest note ever sung by a living person don't do that, dear." From that point on, Moore was doomed to visit the local classical record store in a raincoat, searching for soprano-forward recordings of Donizetti so that he could grasp himself and attain special joy. Sadly, he was unable to do so without slapping his forehead, which proved visible to clerks from the listening room window.

    Disturbing, to contemplate the sort of fetish or repeated neurotic thrill that might be imprinted by mom during a zesty game of Manhunt.
     
  18. Mickenoss

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  19. Mr Flibbles

    Mr Flibbles I'm not part of the solution....

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    Granted the age restrictions on games are there for censorship reasons, and why porn mags are on the top shelf at the news agents. It comes down to common sense, if a 12 yr old kid really wants a computer games cause they played it at a friends house, and starts to hassle Mummy and Daddy, and they break and buy it, the Parents are at fault. They should know that the the game is unsuitable by the ****ing label on the cover of the game.

    Granted the Game shops and online shopping don't really have a system for preventing the sale of games to underage children. Cause the parents/grand parents buy the games for them. Sort of when you got your first packet of cigarettes, or when you got your first beer from the corner shop, you asked someone that was old enough to buy it.

    I have played all kinds of games since i was a kid, and I put my hands up, I did used to hassle my parents to get me games that were "Unsuitable" for my age. I played them, and dont have feelings of violence. I felt privilaged that my parents trusted me, and it made me feel mature, IMO.

    but lifes different for everyone.
     
  20. DXR_13KE

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    it varies greatly from parent to parent and from kid to kid.
     

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