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Motors ARGH - This is retarded, 20mpg hybrid!!!

Discussion in 'General' started by Mother-Goose, 28 Sep 2007.

  1. Mother-Goose

    Mother-Goose 5 o'clock somewhere

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    This is the fundemental difference between Americans and...erm...everyone else, if anyone needs to tow a 30foot trailer around here...they have lorry's to do it, not a truck that can also double for a personal vehicle. I've seen the trailers you are talking about on the roads over there and it always struck me as odd that it's towed by a pickup (what is it you call those double wheeled ones, doubies?), anyway, over here we have lorries for this.


    I understand that you are stating an opinion alright but your opinion is that of an extremely childish five year old. You don't care how efficient a car is? So you aren't fussed about this global warming thing then?! And it doesn't matter to you? :duh: :wallbash: :sigh: :jawdrop: :eeek: :nono: :eyebrow: :worried:

    Oh trust me, we would still be worried mainly because Detroit are absolute cretin's, how is making fuel efficient cars going to cost jobs?! Seriosly?!?!?!
     
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  2. Cthippo

    Cthippo Can't mod my way out of a paper bag

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    Dualies (Pronounced doo-lees)

    I think you're getting them confused with boobies again. :naughty:

    And agreed on the rest.
     
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  3. Mother-Goose

    Mother-Goose 5 o'clock somewhere

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    That would have made more sense :D
     
  4. DXR_13KE

    DXR_13KE BananaModder

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    talladega i agree that farmers and hunters and people that need 4 wheel drive multipurpose vehicles should buy them, but the thing that strikes me the most is when a person that lives the entire year in a city like NY that has no problem with harsh climate buys one of those things.....
     
  5. talladega

    talladega I'm Squidward

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    ya i dont get it either. if i lived in a city and stayed in the city i'd defenitely have a small car that gets good mpg. probly one of those electric ones that also have gas engine or whatever. if they have absolutely no use for a big vehicle then it seems pointless but maybe they like it. ?? i dunno. but one thing i dont like about small cars is they do not give as good a ride as a big car. with the longer wheelbase and bigger car you get a much smoother ride. and plus there is more room in the vehicle and many people have kids.



    ya im being childish. riiiight. just becuase i dont like a car based on mpg doesnt make me childish. if i like a car i dont look at the mpg. i just like it. if it does awesome mpg then thats great but if it doesnt then oh well.

    you seem to be acting childish. where would be be today without detroit making cars. ford made the first car. i never said a fuel efficient car was bad or that they cant make them. i am saying if it wasnt for the us military using up all the oil we wouldnt be where we are now. we wouldnt be worrying about saving oil as we would have plenty.

    and incase you didnt know there was an oil field found in canada. no the one in alberta. it was in saskatchewan i think, but the gov't or whatever said they were not going to take oil from it at all. they will not use it. why? so they can raise prices.


    whats a lorry? lol whats wrong with having a vehicle that can be used for towing and personal driving. to me that is better. not all are the dualies. actually allot of them are not. some are. alot of the trucks are diesel.

    global warming? sure it happening. me driving a small car aint gonna change it. china produces the most pollution (or so i have read) so talk to them. not me as i create VERY little. except i may eat too many beans once in a while and take out a chunk of the ozone. :D
     
  6. steveo_mcg

    steveo_mcg What's a Dremel?

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    arrrgh i've been resisting saying this for this entire thread but for goodness sake use google! :wallbash::search:

    Whats a landrover, whats a vectra, whats a lorrie, if you don't know have a look out side your own insular little world!

    Canada has the biggest reserves of oil out side of Saudi Arabia, they don't want to extract it because its heavy dirty stuff that needs to be mined not drilled for its expensive and it needs special treatment to even get it down a pipeline let alone refine it. Coupled with the enormous energy costs to extract/refine it and the massive damage it does to the surroundings i'm not surprised they are hesitant to extract it. For the record the US has supplies of similar type of oil called shale oil, but your government wont let you extract it because its in an environmentally sensitive area, but its fine to **** up Canada so long as its not in my back yard! It also doesn't yeild as much gasoline so its not so valuable to folk like you with your stupid big engines. Now all countries in opec don't extract oil as fast as they can both so they can get a good price and so your country doesn't use the entire worlds supply in a bloody week.

    China produces the most pollution now.. hasn't done for the last hundred years do you not think the entire world has a right to wealth, if that means the rich countries have to cut back to allow the poorer countries to develop, seems fair to me. Besides if china wasn't polluting like is was making up for 100 years of the west then your gear would all much more expensive, yes even your precious GM. Did you read that chart i posted earlier, statistically you and an average Canadian use 2 tonnes of oil equivalent more than a western European, how much more do you think you use than your average Chinese man?

    For the record Vauxhall had an excellent reputation for building high quality cars... till GM bought it and turned it into a euro/british extension of its self.

    I know i wasnt going to rise to him but man folk like this make me mad
     
  7. Mother-Goose

    Mother-Goose 5 o'clock somewhere

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    Very good point there actually, a "lorry" is a term given to anything that is used to shift alot of stuff that is out of the "van" class but not into "HGV" levels of capacity and is a solid chassis, i.e. no trailer (see below as an example, this would be towards the largest end of the scale).

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    This is what we call a van:

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    This would be the most common small to medium load carrying class of vehicle on the british/european roads.

    The benifits of having a specialised vehicle for a specific role is that they are pretty economic at that task, and whilst they usually have to have a second car, they usually (and I do stress "usually" have a small to medium sized hatchback (Ford Focus sized) as the family car) which is also reasonable economical.

    I do understand that the mileages we cover are considerably smaller than yours but still, a 1.6 petrol or diesel focus can happily stomp around for miles and miles are highway speeds, and then handle nicely around town, and couple together, they would still produce less emissions than a 4 to 6 litre V8 truck that is used for everything.
     
  8. DXR_13KE

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    talladega i did not call you childish, you are simply young, and i can say that i have been there and done that ;).

    BTW, where would be be today without detroit making cars? maybe clean fuel powered cars or even fuelless cars that fly or even horse pulled chariots........ anyway... the first car was not made by Ford.... the first car was made by a guy called Karl Benz in Germany... and the first automobile is credited to a guy called Ferdinand Verbiest that ran on steam.. Ford created the first affordable car and put America on wheels.... but that is a different story.
     
  9. Cthippo

    Cthippo Can't mod my way out of a paper bag

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    I drove a sprinter for work and man those are nice. Quiet, powerful and easy to drive, but still large enough to be a servicable ambulance. Wish I could afford one for my side business.
     
  10. talladega

    talladega I'm Squidward

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    ya i meant like one that was for public sale type thinger.

    ok thats what a lorry is. probably not much camping in big RVs out there i bet? probably to do with europe being so small?


    oh and i am sorry if ive offended any of ya's across the lake. where i live we have many many people in our school who have moved from Germany to here and the attitude of them like saying how everything here is so garbage and all things non-american is so much better. so with that i have gotten a very very poor opinion about people from europe. and i know many of you are not like that but when like a 1/4 of the school is them and 80 or more % have that attitude it's hard not to feel the way i do. never used to feel this way until more and more came and where like that.

    so im sorry about that interfering with my openness to other opinions.

    really if it's so bad here then go back. right?
     
  11. DXR_13KE

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    maybe we don't need big RVs because we have good roads that take us everywhere..... and for those that are willing to go to "judas ass" they can go to a rent a car or companies that specialize on that.

    i am not offended by stuff like that.

    If people say that American stuff is garbage they must have some leg on which to stand on..... a 20mpg SUV is a stupid thing when you consider that there are alternatives that do better.... i don't like to bash the USA, they have lots of cool things.... but there are things, lots of them, that i cant simply warp my mind around them, they are so stupid and so lame and so late that they should not even exist, the worse comes next, instead of Darwin law we have something else entirely, were the USA shoves their stuff into everyones throat even if it sucks and then blocks the development of alternatives......

    sorry for the rant and off topic.
     
  12. Mother-Goose

    Mother-Goose 5 o'clock somewhere

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    The individial contries are small, but the overall landmass is much larger than north america, and you have to remember, you can drive from finland to italy if you really wanted to. Europe is huge, the countries inside are small, and england is tiny, but we still complain about travel over 3hrs to get somewhere :D

    We do have RV's, but they are smaller, and as such, called camper vans, also, we have caravans which seem to be alot more popular over here, these can be prett massive, but easily towed by an estate or family sedan.
     
  13. talladega

    talladega I'm Squidward

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    ya. here people hours or days to go on a trip and stuff. my cousin used to live 13 hours away and there was just one province inbetween. but europe also has more more people for square km than canada im sure and probly us too right?


    but with the rvs there are many small ones here that could be towed by a medium sized car but then they get up up huge over 30ft trailers or huge motorhomes like 40ft or so. its insane how people can afford a $400,000+ RV to go camping in a few times a year.

    really those kids in school just think they are better than everyone it seems. i dont know why. they ignore teachers and do what they want. start fights. often there is a fight once a week with one of them. and then they say how the canadians cause all the problems and stuff. and im sure we have dont things to them too. but really if they think it is so bad here they should leave and stop complaining and saying how everything sucks here. i get tired of it. many have only been out here a year or maybe two. maybe many things are not good here in their opinion but i am totally happy with how it is here.

    but you are right about USA. they act like they own the world and can force anyone to do what they want. and they do stop alot of technology advances. why? MONEY! many many cures for diseases have been found but are not used in US and Canada because they are not profitable enough for the companies. i find that totally retarded.

    oh well.....
     
  14. supermonkey

    supermonkey Deal with it

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    We have those, too. Many companies lease them by the hour, day, or several days for long-haul moves. SUVs are not just for country folks. I live in the 3rd or 4th largest city in the US (depending on when you do the census). I live in a suburban area, yet I still own an SUV. I do a lot of woodworking and gardening, and it just doesn't make sense for me to rent a lorry every time I need to buy supplies for my next home improvement project. I couldn't imagine strapping 3 full sheets of 1/4-inch plywood to the top of my Saturn. That's where I benefit from the SUV. It also comes in handy when we need to do grocery shopping (fitting the baby, the stroller, and all the bags of food gets pretty cramped in my small sedan).

    -monkey
     
  15. DXR_13KE

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    in your case you need one, a person that has no need to haul big stuff around does not need an SUV, but they still buy them because it makes them feel/look cool/powerful.
     
  16. Tomm

    Tomm I also ride trials :¬)

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    I'm sure a lot of English people in the same situation as you (Supermonkey) would think twice about buying an SUV. I get the impression that the US has completely different attitudes to fuel economy as we do, and it just doesn't make sense to the opposite party. It seems like global warming isn't particularly high on the agenda (it is right up there in the country), and your fuel prices are half what ours are. So yeah, it probably does make more sense to have bigger cars in America than here.
     
  17. talladega

    talladega I'm Squidward

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    or they like the way the vehicle looks better. or like the way it drives better.

    or they are just morons who buy it because someone told them to. ;)
     
  18. Mother-Goose

    Mother-Goose 5 o'clock somewhere

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    oh *groan*:duh:
     
  19. DXR_13KE

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    considering that the big car in question drives better than a smaller car.... even if i consider this very strange....
     
  20. talladega

    talladega I'm Squidward

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    ?? you dont make sense. i said people MAY think it drives better.
     
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