Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Tim S, 11 Nov 2005.
Ahh, cheers for clearing that up for me bigz Makes alot more sense now
I don't think the results here should surprise us that much, as I remember the XT1800XT was suppose to have been released around the same time as the 7800. It was never "meant" to be a 7800 "killer" in the sense that it would outperform it by a large margin (although I'm sure that ATI would have loved that). I think this card looks solid and we will just have to see what ATI can pull out by working with their drivers, also there is the possible OC potential of the XT. Furthermore we will have to hope that ATI will be able to "catch up" with nVidia, competition is always good for the consumer!
--> Bigz, how on earth did you manage on a manual run through FEAR to repeat a two runs at exactly the same speed very impressive especially considering how the AI is not scripted!!
When are we going to see some reviews of crossfired x1000 series cards? Are there actually any master cards available yet?
Personally I think ATI have done pretty well considering this a new architecture whereas AFAIK the 7800 is a slightly updated, faster clocked 6800. In the long term (next revision or two) this architecture change for ATI will no doubt benifit them and while nvidia are fiddling with new architectures and so on ATI will be the ones with faster, more available products. It's all swings and roundabouts.
Lots and lots of practice
When they're made available to us - they don't exist at the moment, as far as I know.
I totally agree with that statement.
GeForce 6800-series was very slow in comparison to Radeon X800-series when the first drivers came out - the drivers have matured since then and we're seeing some decent performance with more being unlocked all of the time too (see release 80, some good perf increases there).
I think by the time Catalyst 6.1 comes out, we should have some very interesting performance coming from Radeon X1800-series. Drivers take time to master when you've got a completely new architecture, and I'm fully confident that Terry and the boys can work their magic to find more performance for the X1k-series buyers (and the people with older cards too).
just thought this might be of interest to ppl wanting to know something about the overclockability http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=3899&page=15
i know hexus's way of testing is inherently different to bit-tech's, i prefer your's but overclocking is overclocking really, and some numbers give an idea of what to expect.
705 core 1700 ram is a pretty damn impressive speed, up from 625/1494 is nice, but with nvidia's new cards going to use faster ram will this advantage still be there.
there is also some words on hexus that the xt cores are coming off really well, so pre-overclocked cards looks pretty certain. makes the cards a bit more appealing imo!
Ok im a Need for Speed fan
and also and ATI fan boy..
Right now i own an Sapphire ATI 9800 pro 256mb
Need for speed most wanted is coming out (there is an demo now) www.needforspeed.com
Was wondering if u can get the cards running up to the demo and see how they do...since the game is really into shadows and car detail/ envirnment detail....I have it running on my 9800 but the smoke and shadows seem blocky...but the world detail and car deatil is good...the frame rate looks decent, but i was finding my self a bit mad that it wasnt flowwing very very welll.....
So if it woundnt be much trouble if u can test the 1800xt 512mb and the 2 GTX's for this demo?
I am in the market for an ATI card, (i vowed not to buy a NVIDIA card) and ATI fanboy thing i guess.....
Also need advise on either buying this x1800xt 512mb or wait till spring for the R580 to come out...becuase im looking for more pipelines, becuase for some reason i feel if i buy this x1800xt 512mb card will will regret when R580 comes out:>
And moneys not a vertue...
Hi and welcome to the forums.
Unfortunately, I don't have the Radeon X1800XT at the moment - it went back to our sister publication (the supply levels really suck at the moment). However, I hope to be able to have another look at the XT in future reviews - we will be including NFS: Most Wanted from our next review onwards. Unfortunately, the demo came out a little too late for it to be included in this one.
thnx for the invite...well NEED FOR SPEED MOST WANTED will come out the 17th so i probebly will see some reviews about it...
Now i have to make an desicion
Buy the x1800xt 512mb - to run recent games including NFSMW
Wait for R580 to come out in spring - Too run recent games better NFSMW lol
OR buy a lower slass card to save money, then buy R580 or better (card right now Sapphire 9800 pro 256mb(maybe overclock) - Too run recent games as well as the price puts it NFSMW
I wouldn't head for a 9xxx card anymore. There are X800GTO's out there for less than 200€/$ so this is the best you could probably get for a relatively small grab into your pocket.
I am totally unepressed with ATI and what they are doing with their products. Not only did they delease the x1800xt which beats the GTX by a small margin, but now NVIDIA came out with the 7800 GTX 512MB and guess wat, ATI fans like me, We got pwned, and so did ATI im crying my gutts out on how ATI was such a great, serious company about graphics and design and now look, a company that just came out of no where took away all ATI had to offer, might as well go bankrupt..... Ok now i am deffinitly not buying the x1800xt lol, not even worth buying lol....might as well wait for the R580 to release, and if thats any good then ill be happy...but if not then im swithcing to NVIDIA and what they have to offer....
So ATI you are lucky to still have me as an costemer of ur products, but its really hard to look how you've been beaten to easyly....
1st: ATI didn't get pwned that bad... well they did get hit hard but they'll come back soon with a card being able to compete. At last 580 should be able to.
2nd: nVidia came out of nowhere?! WtF?! I mean... ehrm... nVidia has been in the market for top performance cards way before ATI launched their 9700.
The GTX 512 is overpriced IMO, which doesn't make it a better buy than either Radeon X1800XT 512MB or one of the faster 256MB GeForce 7800 GTXs, like the Gainward or XFX.
Sure, it's the fastest card out there, but it isn't fast enough to warrant an extra £100.
Would you still say it's overpriced if it was like 430£ inc bigz?
$649/£430 inc VAT seems reasonable to me, seeing as that was the price we were told before launch.
£450 would be a reasonable price for something like the XFX/BFG cards that are overclocked. I don't think £520-530 is reasonable.
hes probably about 12 and doesnt remember the days when nvidia owned
i remember my Ti4200 fondly
nVidia actually got owned before by 3dfx... but that is another company some people don't seem to remember. I once owned a Voodoo1 with incredible 54MHz.
I have a Voodoo2 in an old box here now
does anyone know if ati have changed the mounting holes for the x1800's?
wanna know if my waterblock will still fit, im thinking probalby not but i can hope
It uses the same mount as the nVidia 6800/7800 cards.
I've still got my Canopus 12mb Voodoo 2's. 1 Pair with SLI connectors
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