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Graphics ATI x800 vs. x800xl

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by Veer, 15 Apr 2006.

  1. Veer

    Veer What's a Dremel?

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    Alright folks this time i seriously need some help. I have been doing a lot of research into getting a new gfx card (AGP), and came down to 2 (3) main ATI cards.

    1) Powercolor/Sapphire X800 GT
    2) Radeon x800XL (256mb)
    3) ATI X850 XT

    Now my main and primary concern is that, I have read all the bit-tech reviews concerning these cards, aswell as from other sites. I have been trying to find a site where i could buy these cards but haven't been able to :confused: . Secondly when ever i try to search for X800GT I never seem to be able to find it, however i do always manage to find X800GTO . Is this an upgraded version of the latter? If so then is it worth going for?. The other thing is if I go for the same card but made by a different company will it be a major difference in the overall performance of the card, then the ones recommended? My final question is, is ATI x850XT a better/upgraded version of the X800 series, and also worth going for? I am looking for quality and performance rather then the overall price of the card.Keeping in mind that i have a limited budget.

    Oh and one more thing this is the first time I am buying a card, so I would greatly appreciated if I could get some guidance :).
     
  2. Austin

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    ;) To get a good idea of comparitive performance we can inspect the paper specs and power. All cards are based on ssentially the same architecture which is more advanced than the 9700/9800 cards but less advanced than the X1000 series of cards. As such the speeds below provide an accurate guide to relative speed. As for availability, well you'll just have to keep looking or consider alternatives, the ones I'd advise would be the 6800 series of cards but if you really prefer ATi just keep looking. The X1600Pro is ATi's main X1000 AGP card but is seriously hindered by half the memory bandwidth of the X1600XT which is what they should be providing AGP users with. nVidia are also disgracefully limiting and ripping AGP owners off, it's not just an ATi thing.

    X800GT Core=3800+713 RAM=31.4GB/s (128MB version uses a slower RAM speed @25.0GB/s)
    X800GTO Core=4800+600 RAM=31.4GB/s (128MB versionuses a slower RAM speed @22.4GB/s)
    X800XL Core=6400+600 RAM=32.0GB/s
    X850XT Core=8320+780 RAM=34.6GB/s
     
  3. Veer

    Veer What's a Dremel?

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    I was going for nvidia 6800gx, was about to other it from a site.Then somehow they removed it, sent them an email and they replied that they don't have it anymore and will not be getting it. I have also looked into the 6800GS, but I have heard that it's not as good as the 6800GT. I may be wrong but would sure good to hear some views on the 6800GS.
     
  4. Austin

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    :thumb: It was probably good they removed the 6800GX as it doesn't officially exist they could set its performance (clocks and pipes) at whatever they wanted; usually that means lower. 6800GS is slower than 6800GT but only very slightly, nothing to really worry about. Essentially the GS uses a newer process allowing for higher clock speeds. nVidia used this so they could use 12 pipes that are clocked higher and this almost gets it to the GT's level (16 pipes at a lower clock speed). For a rough idea of ATi to nVidia performance; the X800XL is generally a touch faster than the 6800GT but the GT has a more modern architecture (SM3.0 DX9.0c) so they're pretty even really.
     
  5. Veer

    Veer What's a Dremel?

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    I see, that's the thing I would go for 6800GT but it's slightly out of my reach. AT first i was thinking of going for 6800gs, then when I saw the benchmarks it sort of put me off. I don't mind which company it's first nvidia/ati, as long as it serves the purpose. You see I don't have much knowledge about gfx cards, I can only merely rely upon the benchmarks and what other readers have to say.
    I would still prefer if someone could state some views on the x800GT/X850XT and x800XL :).
     
  6. Tim S

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    The AGP based 6800 GS is a good deal slower than the PCI-Express counterpart - it's quite a bit slower than a 6800 GT. X850XT would be a reasonably good buy on AGP at the moment, I guess - it's the second fastest AGP card out there.
     
  7. Austin

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    :thumb: The only important difference between the X800GT, X800GTO, X800XL and X850XT is speed (so check the core numbers). As you can see from those numbers they go up in steps so you can weigh the cost versus performance quite easily. The link below shows you X800, X800Pro, X800XL, X850XT, 6600GT, 6800 & 6800GT (amongst others). The X800 is essentially the same as the X800GTO_128MB (GTO_256MB has faster RAM speed) while the X800Pro sits inbetween the X800GTO_256MB and X800XL. Do consider if you should save some cash towards CPU or RAM upgrades as you want to ensure a decent gfx card isn't bottlenecked, all of these cards are 'decent' or better.

    http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q1/sapphire-x800/index.x?pg=4
     
  8. Fibbles

    Fibbles What's a Dremel?

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    There is also the amount of open pixel pipelines. Some of those have 8, 12, and/or 16.

    The x800 has 12 pipes while the x800XL has 16. I had an x800XL and found it to be a wonderful card, but I wanted something a bit faster, so I got an x1800XL.
     
  9. Austin

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    ;) The amount of pipelines coupled with the core speed is the most relevant factor in the speed of the card (although obviously you don't want to limit it with poor vertex or low memory bandwidth). So long as you know the comparitive paper core speed both the number of pipes and clock speed largely become irrelevant (unless you get into unlocking dormant pipes). To use my earlier examples of paper core and RAM speeds:

    X800GT Core=3800+713 RAM=31.4GB/s (128MB version uses a slower RAM speed @25.0GB/s)
    X800GTO Core=4800+600 RAM=31.4GB/s (128MB versionuses a slower RAM speed @22.4GB/s)
    X800XL Core=6400+600 RAM=32.0GB/s
    X850XT Core=8320+780 RAM=34.6GB/s

    :thumb: The pixel core speed (first number) in Mpixels/s is derived from pixel pipes multiplied by clock speed as follows:

    X800GT 8 pipes (& 6 vertex) @ 475mhz
    X800GTO 12 pipes (& 6 vertex) @ 400mhz
    X800XL 16 pipes (& 6 vertex) @ 400mhz
    X850XT 16 pipes (& 6 vertex) @ 520mhz
     
  10. Veer

    Veer What's a Dremel?

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    thanks a lot for all the help
     
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