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Motors Bad welder threatens to take car in payment

Discussion in 'General' started by Huge, 14 Sep 2011.

  1. Huge

    Huge aka Dave

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    Thanks, I hope I'll be looking into this soon, depends what my parents say.

    That would be amazing. I've had a friend offer to do the welding if he has the time, then it would just cost me the price of panels and quite a few beers. The downside is that he doesn't really rate himself as being much of a welder! It's a tempting offer all the same in my position.
     
  2. Blazza181

    Blazza181 SVM PLACENTA CASEI

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    Just saying, in case your friend does a poor job, just wait until this dispute is finished, if it goes ahead.

    I can see how much assistance I can give you. I'm not legally trained, but I have a half-decent knowledge of law. I'll PM you any more info I can get or you that you request.
     
  3. brave758

    brave758 What's a Dremel?

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    Lol mate you have him by the short and curlies this is gold. As recommended small claims also there are a lot of blood sucking lawers who would love this.
     
  4. Blazza181

    Blazza181 SVM PLACENTA CASEI

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    I wouldn't use a lawyer for a small claims court, unless they are offering their work for free/ comparatively next to nothing. As I said, law students or good debaters are your best chance. They will just use this to add to their CV or as practice.
     
  5. brave758

    brave758 What's a Dremel?

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    Sorry wasn't too clear, was thinking them no win no fee vultures if you wanted to go that path
     
  6. SuicideNeil

    SuicideNeil What's a Dremel?

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    Based on past experience, I imagine they'll just tell you to drop it because they don't want a visit from the welder after he receives a court summons for the bad work. You may well have to do this on your own- matey could turn up at any time due to your previous exchanges after all, your parents aren't to know any differently...

    All the evidence is stacked in your favour though so there is no way you would loose, it's just a case of making him pay up even when you do win- civil victories are kinda hard to enforce it would seem. Rogue Traders idea sounds good, I'd be trying to find other people who have dealt with him and see if they shared your experience with the welder to any extent...
     
  7. sp4nky

    sp4nky BF3: Aardfrith WoT: McGubbins

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    Can I just say that the reason you're in this position is because you got a recommendation from a friend and that recommendation didn't work out. I think in your position, you should go with a professional welding firm. It will be more expensive but you should be able to guarantee they'll do it properly.
     
  8. Blazza181

    Blazza181 SVM PLACENTA CASEI

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    They actually charge a success fee on top of the normal fee. Also, I just feel that, since this is a practically impossible to lose this case, maybe a law student or practicing debater would get more use out of this than those highly successful vultures, who create all sorts of rubbish lawsuits, which should never have got to court.

    Just as a point Huge, if you go for legal action, get a quote as to how much the MOT cost and the proper repairal would cost, and then a bit more as compo (or in legal speak, damages). Also, see if you can find out (via. CAB) whether damages can be gained by him threatening you.

    If you get that in court, and maybe tell the local newspaper (if they don't have the story already), then you can get your just desserts.

    I'm serious, the CAB is your best port of call, whether your parents give way or not. You may even be able to get an injunction, preventing him from coming within a certain distance of you or your parents.

    Also, I'd recommend seeing whether he pays his VAT or not. If he does cash deals, go to Inland Revenue and chop him.

    Also, I don't think a court (or the solicitors) would be too impressed about that (probably faked) letter.
     
  9. Huge

    Huge aka Dave

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    Got the car back today, there's going to be a lot of work that needs doing, it turns out that not only did he do a crap job, he did less than half the required work. However, while his welding isn't much good, he caused damage and overcharged, his welding only left me with an advisory, it was (barely) good enough to pass an MOT.

    I've had a quote for £600 labour + parts + pickup/delivery (probably totalling around £900). This guy is a mini nut (will do a proper job more for the mini's wellbeing than my own!) with all the tools and experience required. I would be paying for the previous work to be redone, all rust (from the bulkhead back) to be cut out and properly replaced with either new panels or shaped metal plates IN the holes.

    I'm not sure I've got good enough grounds to chase a refund anymore given that his welding was passable. It's still not the best job and there's still damage done but even if I could win something from him it would flare up the threats again and take forever for any money to appear.

    In conclusion, lessons learned: don't trust a mate of a mate's recommendation, pay for a proper job and get a better paid job so that I can actually afford this! I'll probably go ahead with the above welder despite not really being able to afford it as I need this finished before I quit and give the car away :(


    May the rich among you feel free to donate to my smashed enthusiasm and empty wallet...
     
  10. Zinfandel

    Zinfandel Modder

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    I must just be an immature moronic yob, but to be honest at this point I don't see how I could resist beating the crap out of him. To be honest I didn't post in this thead earlier because it's what I thought at the start.
     
  11. Huge

    Huge aka Dave

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    Hah, he's not a small fella. Otherwise I suspect you'd have to wait in line.

    Oh, and his family were involved in a multiple murder when he was young, he's not a stranger to violence. This is all stuff I found out after he'd got hold of my car of course...
     
  12. Nexxo

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    Object lesson:

    • Don't commission a job without a written quote.
    • Don't commission a job without seeing previous work.
    • Don't pay without a written invoice.

    And DON'T EVER commission "a mate of a mate".
     
  13. Blazza181

    Blazza181 SVM PLACENTA CASEI

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    Mate, my parents once got a guy to do some plumbing, but he was rubbish.

    We later discovered that he was an ex-murderer.
     
  14. GregTheRotter

    GregTheRotter Minimodder

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    Don't think you can be an 'ex' murderer. Not like working the cia and being an 'EX' cia agent. Once you've done it, you've done it. Kind like being a paedophile, no such thing as an 'ex' paedophile.
     
  15. Huge

    Huge aka Dave

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    Not quite what you want to hear! Was the plumbing any good?

    I was thinking that.
     
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    Blazza181 SVM PLACENTA CASEI

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    Oops. My apologies. I was quite (and am still) tired when I wrote that. I meant he had been released from jail.

    My grammar is deteriorating.

    Regarding his job, he ended up causing water to leak into the flat below, causing dome anger/distress.
     
  17. Krikkit

    Krikkit All glory to the hypnotoad! Super Moderator

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    Unless at least two of the other three above apply. Plenty of nice folks out there - just got to watch out for assholes.

    Personally if I'd seen their work (and knew it was good) and they'd come recommended I'd go without a written quote or invoice, but that'd be rare.

    Huge - You've kept your head over all this, a lot of folks would've been completely freaking out. Get £900 together and get the mini master to have a crack at it. Perhaps take a few cheeky photo's of a proper welder's work then tie them to a lamppost just down his street? :D
     
  18. Big_malc

    Big_malc Minimodder

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    also if you do go for the legal thing side say that the stress caused you loss of sex drive towards your partner over stress ;) and no im not joking
     
  19. Huge

    Huge aka Dave

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    Thanks Krikkit, I appreciate the compliment. I'll find £900 somehow - I'm starting to realise that building my brother a new computer as a surprise present wasn't necessarily as financially viable as I thought. Could use that extra money now! And perhaps I should have sold my old hardware instead of giving it away... Nevermind :)

    I can't imagine you were too happy to make a fuss to a convicted murderer!

    Haha, I bet my hand is feeling very left out right now. If I get a partner I'll come back for advice ;)
     
  20. Zinfandel

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    *noticeable decrease in the amount of tissues I go through.
     

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