Other Barcelona v Man United, champions final in Rome, Wednesday kick off 7:45

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  1. Angleus

    Angleus What's a Dremel?

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    Great game haha
     
  2. julianmartin

    julianmartin resident cyborg.

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    LOL!

    Should have watched a real game like Rugby....
     
  3. rainbowbridge

    rainbowbridge Minimodder

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    Yeah but its not about early shots yodasarmpit, its about domination, its about rythem, consistancy, I mean even gigs roony gave stupid balls away, thats just NOT meant to happen, Ronaldo I can kind of understand the guy is walking rocket, he fires up and he goes and he is the best in the world at that so once he fizles out if hist mind is out and he loses the ball so be it, you know.

    Maybe I am over expecting because I had money on it, but where were the long pin point passes, just were did roony think that early pass was going to up the top left when it missed the man by 14 feet.

    You know if your a professional footballer you have to be able to kick the ball 5 feet, 10 feet, 15 feet, 30 feet, and hit another object the size of a ball thats the way I see I see it.


    That game was just out of sorts there was not rythem, and you just cant make those stupid mistakes.

    As I say that will be the last football bet I make and outside of boxing ufc my last sports bet, but that will be my last viewing of a football match for life, Im doing quite well putting things in the never to do again bag.

    Last two weeks Ive given up.

    -Coffee
    -Meat
    -Football

    Id like to hear to what Alex.f had to say to them in the changing rooms I think it went along the lines of, you never did yourselves proud, you never "left every thing out there", you never concentrated.


    I dont understand how you can have that many players of their calbire and get that kind of result, Chapions of Chapions, Chapions of Tampons in my opinon, its a good thing I have poker as my back up grind, if they were as good as me as when I play my A game then they would have won 5-1.

    You just got to know what your doing and that was just a total
    disaster, how can it be you have those hot 10 minutes then then play the rest of the game like that, you have to ask yourself what was lost there, they lost it rather than they were totally dominated, they should have strecthed barca, presured them.

    question: how can you get a ball in oposite dirrection from were it needs to go or 20 feet above a goal.

    answer: pass it to a professional footballer.
     
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  4. wolfticket

    wolfticket Downwind from the bloodhounds

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    You totally don't sound like a man who has just lost a reasonably large sum of money on a football team ;)
    :worried: <runs away> :thumb:
     
  5. UrbanMarine

    UrbanMarine Government Prostitute

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    Man U = FAIL
     
  6. Turbotab

    Turbotab I don't touch type, I tard type

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    My beloved Chelsea did a better job, if it wasn't for that stupid Brazilian (League) and damn Norwegian, forget harpoons, a truck bomb would more suitable. Man U didn't play that badly, they just failed to convert their chances.
     
  7. kingred

    kingred Surfacing sucks!

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    Fire ronaldo, jesus some of the balls he gave away were classic

    oooo i will run at your goal, now you have a go at ours.

    If they made it legal to shoot players who gave the ball away it would inspire a better game.
     
  8. Turbotab

    Turbotab I don't touch type, I tard type

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    It's funny that Barca's star player is called Messy (sic), yet Man U's star, just plays messy.
     
  9. felix the cat

    felix the cat Spaceman Spiff

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    im sorry that you (someone) lost so much money on the game, but tbh it was silly putting so much on one side, when it was pretty much 50-50 as to who was going to win before teh ball was even kicked once.

    honestly, i wanted barcelona to win (spurs fan btw). last night proved that even though there is a whole load of crap going on in the world, it is basically ok.

    overpaid/overhyped/overpriced/commercially backed by some yankees vs barcelona/mes que un club (utd get 50million for having AIG printed on their shirt, barcelona give money to unicef and have their logo printed on their shirt)

    basically, im sure the cost of the whole barcelona team ist that of one wayne rooney (secondly, how many players on the utd team actually are real united players, ie. trained/brought up there?!? i dont know, but i know that on the barca side you have xavi, iniesta, messi [started at barca as a 13 year old], busquets,valdes, pique [i know he was at united for a while but its easy to see where he really belongs] and last but not least puyol), and whilste they might not go around blowing their trumpets about being "the champions of the world" they go on playing beautiful, free flowing, passing football. for those that dont watch spanish football, watch arsenal on a good day, and you can see how xavi hernandez plays just by watching fabregas.

    of course everyone thought that man utd would win hands down, with a weakened barca backline, and to give utd credit, they did not play with 10 defenders against them (*cough* chelsea *cough*), and yeah, if they had scored one of their 3 chances in the first 10mins it would have been a different game.

    what it comes down to for me, is simply the passing. utd could not string two passes together, and resorted to attempting long balls over the top trying to use rooneys/ronaldos pace. they were made to look stupid by a few pint sized footballers who keep the ball on the deck. watch a replay of the england vs spain match if you want to see another match where power and running round like headless chickens just makes you look like a bunch of amatuers against the quick/short passing of players who are technically gifted. dont get me wrong, the tactics were not the best to try against a passing side such as barcelona but it was a triumph for all real football fans of the world.

    sorry for the long post, and apologies if some of it does not make sense, but i can not believe how some people are dissapointed (its ok if you loose money :) ) when the better footballing side won, showing that its not all about having the biggest cheque book, and bigger/stronger footballers on your team.


    ...incase you are interested, some light reading:

    http://goal.com/en/news/1717/editor...i-the-best-centre-midfielder-in-the-world-the

    oh, and talking about professionalism (or not turning up as most pundits like to call it) - do you hear messi calling himselfs the no1, no2, and no3 player in the world? does he strop like a 4 year old everytime something does not go his way?? nearly all the man utd players (bar scholes and giggs perhaps) could learn a lesson or two about being humble/a role model to a whole load of kids, who now mistake being confident in what you do with being an arrogant, upOneSelfArschloch (scuse my french)
     
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  10. rainbowbridge

    rainbowbridge Minimodder

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    I like your post, I enjoyed reading that.

    basicly in a nut shell they never played well as a team, a team requires shape and chracter and that was not there, they needed a strong mid feild and that was not there.

    If there are any links to the players talking or being interviewed about the game id like to hear what the team players and cap has to say about it, Id like to hear their side of the story, its ok watching a game and a totally different thing playing it I fully expect, any links on Ian Hansen dicussing the game would be appericated or after game video?

    Man U fans deserved a lot better than that, alot lot better, if you play well and have structure and lose fair enough but that was just a kinder garden event and they did get imbarsed, your post is clarity regarding that, they had all the stars but at a fundimental level thay suck.

    I listend to Alex.f talking after the game, when he was couging a lot, and what did he say at the end, he was acting all cool and relaxed but he said.


    Well they are a young side and...

    Well no Alex there not a young side there ment to be a mature all star football mecca of excelence, people behind the team are ment to be the best minds on football on earth, they are ment to run computer simulations, war game in practise.

    Come rome and I see no inteligence, what an imbarsement to players like teddy sheringham.


    I was in the ktichen in the morning talking with a serious man u fan and I told him straight, the mistake Alex.F made was he should have feilded all his best players from minute 0, none of this hiolding on to half time or leavnig it till 25min 33seconds to go.


    Alex if you team can play that *** you feild every thing you can from minute zero.


    Im not impressed and I would tell Alex straight much like 70% of man u fans would, that was manu silver and it was just donated to spain.

    and your right, they play good, TIGHT, good passing, no stupid mistakes.

    I really want to hear what the team has to say about the game, just what went wrong from their perspective?

    And one thing I never have to worry about complaining about ever again.

    WHEN YOU HIT THE BALL, MAKE SURE THE BALL IS ON TARGET
     
  11. felix the cat

    felix the cat Spaceman Spiff

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    ronaldo admits mistakes and blames the tactics:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/8071216.stm

    giggs about coming back:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/8071226.stm

    vidic, who was actually quite humble about the whole thing:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8071341.stm


    pep guardiola talking in broken english about the game:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8071539.stm


    ...even if you look at the dedications from the team after the win, you can see why its easy to cheer for barcelona: guardiola dedicated it to his former coach, and to paolo maldini for the legend that he is (especially after the disgraceful sendoff from his own fans last weekend). puyol dedicated it to his fellow catalans/barcelona fans who have suffered. yaya toure dedicated it to fellow muslims around the world. and in every single interview all that messi/xavi/iniesta talk about is teh team work/team ethic. hint to the ronaldo's of this world...there is no I in team :sigh::sigh:

    you pretty much hit the nail on the head when you talk about the lack of teamwork, and alex fergusons tactics. remember it took chelseas 5 man midfield of essien, ballack, lampard, mikel and malouda (only one real winger, 2 box to box midfielders, and 2 defensive midfielders) to get to the better of iniesta and xavi. so when it came to anderson and carrick to try adn do that job it was just too much for them.

    also whereas man utd rely on rooney or ronaldo to "produce" some magic, as the latter is really selfish the focus of this being a team sport is lost. xavi and iniesta's magic is that they produce pass after pass not to make themselves look good, but for the team.

    your last point about shots on target - i think i read last night that messi has had 12 shots on goal resulting in 9 goals, whereas ronaldo has had 38 resulting in 7 goals in the champions leauge this year. because of this barcelona can be very frustrating to watch, as most of their players will try to make sure its 100% certain for the goal to be scored before they shoot, and this often leads to endless amount of passing before they even take a shot. personally i prefer this to hoofing it over the top of everyone and hope that something happens.

    never the less if you want to see a full strength barcelona - watch el classico from May 21st to see what they can really do.
     
  12. Westovski

    Westovski What's a Dremel?

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    Erm...right, so (and i'm neutral, don't follow any premiership clubs) Man Utd have a bad game, and suddenly you're talking like they've never done anything right at all. This is the team, in case you were forgetting, that have just won the English Premiership. That's a relatively big deal, and one that requires a consistently good performing team.

    One bad game (albeit a final) doesn't mean the team are poor...they, shock horror, just played badly.

    As for Ronaldo vs Messi - apart from Messi scoring a good header, the performances weren't that different, in fact, Ronaldo was probably the more effective individual. However, Barca absolutely bossed the central midfield, and it was clear that Fletcher's energy in there was missing. Man Utd were completely unsettled by the Eto'o early goal, especially when they had dominated the first 10 or so minutes....but that my friends, is football. They were then nervous and on the back foot for the rest of the game and looked obviously scared. Having said that, they weren't destroyed, just outplayed.

    So anyway RainbowBridge, why bet on football in the first place when you clearly know nothing about it?

    I don't think the players should be embarrassed, i think you probably should be for dumping 150+ quid on a gut feeling. Odds before the game even had Barca (just) as favourites. :blush:
     
  13. itazura

    itazura PAWAA GURABU DAISUKI, YABAI DESU YO

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    it pains me to say it, but if liverpool weren't utterly incompetent at home this season, man united wouldn't even have won that.

    if i was a man united fan, i'd be shitting myself next season. i honestly think that liverpool only need a couple of quality players to be challenging for the title again... as it stands, i'm worried i'd be hearing how liverpool are the better half of the city even more frequently if they get their hands on the league :(

    anyway... i wouldn't say people are saying man united have never done anything right at all, but after hearing all season how they're the greatest club in the world, how they're gonna sweep up everything and complete the "quintuple" effortlessly, seeing them fail in something they supposedly wanted desperately was a delight to watch. barcelona outplayed them for 80 minutes, and it could have easily been more than 2-0. i'm not saying they would have scored loads, but they could (and should) have scored more. and i'll bet i'm not the only one who enjoyed seeing that happen. only seeing us dump them out of the fa cup was sweeter :D

    also, very much this.
     
  14. felix the cat

    felix the cat Spaceman Spiff

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    I never said they had not done anything right. I merely reasoned why I was happy that barca won the match, and not utd, for one thing that is certain is that with their already rather large egos we would have never heard the end of it. Yes they are good at grinding out results in the premiership, but if you gave most football fans the choice of watching free flowing barcelona/arsenal (when their playing well that is) play or united/chelsea grind out results, they would pick the first. also this season was more liverpool loosing the title, not utd winning.

    Again, they are not a bad team, but more often then not they rely on one individual to do something, which kind of takes the point out of it being a team sport. I would hate to say it, but give any manager an open cheque book and they can start winning too. Yes fletchers energy was missed. How about abidal/alves at wing backs for barca? and marquez or milito in central defence?

    not sure if you were watching the game, but apart from his free kick, and 2 other "attempts" at goal ronaldo did squat. at least messi tried. and even when he was hacked down by 2 utd players at the same time he got up and tried again (even though the ref then decided to blow the whistle for a free kick)

    I think we can agree on that. Then again betting is pretty silly no matter what the sport. If you want to throw some money away you can just send it to me.
     
  15. rainbowbridge

    rainbowbridge Minimodder

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    No word of a lie my actual gut feel was not so much Barca (which kind of felt like bones, I believe the source of that wa barca back) but that man u felt like grasping.

    And gut feel is a fasinating subject, and in some areas it can be depended on as a source of information, some women use it almost as a six sense, I expect in some it is a dominate sense and this after all a matrix of energy we exsist in, and we are energy first chemical second.

    What ever, give me some chips and some people who think they know how to play poker.

    Im not in the grove at the moment but im giving up those things which detract from my smoothness in life, I can't remember the last time I was able to sit down for more than 2 hours and read a book soild.

    By the way soild posts, Im a little upset about the money, not so much the amount which was decent but that I ran that up through a number of wise bets. This will be a plus EV event for me, it will save me time effort and money in the long run.


    That was Alexs silver thou, I dont care how you slice it, that was a shambles, you just to got to put it together a lot better than that.

    Man u needed to have taken there time, they were britle, they should have claimed the game, and sorry to repeat my self but that stupid first goal was TOTALLY unnecessary, I dont know the name of the player that he turned inwards on but as a professional defeneder who earns a living at the game was that acceptable defence, I mean how many F times has he practised just that kind of situation, the one thing that guy is going to do coming down like that and the moment he does it boom he is in.

    I mean this thread is dead the game is over but that is behond disgusting. make your self big, stride, cover him, he passed three people to score that goal.


    Ill stick with what I know boxing, UFC (reasonable picking ability I like chuck kongo next ufc 99 I think) and poker.


    Im going to watch those links posted above.

    and it was 207 notes, I needed to turn over around £30 of it to be able to withdraw it, long story but it was a part of my orginal bet and account opening over the carl froch v taylor fight which I had a lump on froch.


    Edit: If you have a soild sports event you are 90% sure on open an account at bet365 and they will match up to a £250 bet, so basicly you will get a fre £250 free bet which is really really cool, book mark that honestly..

    Bye guys

    rainbow.
     
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