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Biden: his time as the 46th US President

Discussion in 'Serious' started by yuusou, 6 Jul 2020.

  1. adidan

    adidan Guesswork is still work

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    That'll be an interesting one.

    If Trump isn't re-elected now that he has loaded the Supreme Court he could go to them. Asking them to stop counting votes at the end of election day would mean ignoring millions of postal votes as many (if not all States) can't start counting them until election day.

    And that takes more than one day.
     
  2. Risky

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    The Supreme Court is no rubber-stamp for Trump. Appointing strict textualists means that you don't always get what you expect...see the Bostock judgement.
     
  3. Risky

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    Four scenarios:

    Trump wins clearly - yikes

    Close to dead heat - Trump will victory and fraud and we get demos, lawsuits and general hell on earth.

    Biden wins by a reasonable clear margin. Trump claims fraud but most of the senior GoP can see it is a loss and desert hi,

    Biden landslide - Trump claims fraud but doesn't really plan to fight it but uses it to set up the next phase of his TV career.
     
  4. VipersGratitude

    VipersGratitude Multimodder

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    Actually it all hinges on Trumps decision to concede defeat honourably, if he doesn't, then it's like the election never happened and the decision is given to the House of Representatives, voting by delegation rather than individual.
     
  5. Risky

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    I think that there are few even in the house willing to die in the ditch for Trump. They only have time for him while he's winning.
     
  6. VipersGratitude

    VipersGratitude Multimodder

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    Yeah, if it's a landslide for Biden, they'll avoid the optics of overriding a democratic election...but if it's close
     
  7. Anfield

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    indeed, they'll stop supporting him as fast as they started supporting him four years ago.
     
  8. Risky

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  9. RedFlames

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  10. Nexxo

    Nexxo * Prefab Sprout – The King of Rock 'n' Roll

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    Yeah, I think that one's quite likely. Trump may even win by electoral college (rather than popular vote) --again.

    The US is collapsing. Has been for a while. If the UK has any sense, it will try not to get sucked down in its wake.*

    * But then there's Brexit, so there's that....
     
  11. bawjaws

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    Is this actually the case? If it's a tie in the Electoral College then it goes to the House as you say, but if the Electoral College shows a winner then doesn't it just go to Congress to formally count the EC votes? And by Congress, I mean the newly-elected Congress, who take up their posts at the start of January, rather than the previous Congress.
     
  12. VipersGratitude

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contingent_election
     
  13. fix-the-spade

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    Since the House of Reps has a heavy Democratic majority (and is expected to retain it) that would be the end of Trump. But it could end up with the slightly hilarious situation of having a Biden-Pence administration, since the Representative pick the President, but the Senate picks the Vice President and there's no rule that they have to be the running mate of the President, or even from the same party.

    If that were to happen, it would be peak 2020, it could only get peakier if Pence were to be forced to give a speach denouncing Trump's actions as a result.
     
  14. VipersGratitude

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    The vote is by delegation, not by individual i.e. each state gets a single vote. While Democrats do have a majority, once broken down by state it looks like this:
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    This is why Trump is trying to dismiss the actual election by claiming that votes shouldn't be counted after election day, he wants to jump straight to a contingent election because Republicans have a congressional delegation majority in the HoR.
     
  15. fix-the-spade

    fix-the-spade Multimodder

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    Well then, that's me told.
     
  16. TheBlackSwordsMan

    TheBlackSwordsMan Far over the misty mountains cold

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    The septic truck is about to hit the propeller.
     
  17. TheBlackSwordsMan

    TheBlackSwordsMan Far over the misty mountains cold

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    The last AD of the Biden/Harris campaign.

     
  18. bawjaws

    bawjaws Multimodder

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  19. IanW

    IanW Grumpy Old Git

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    The polls are open. Time for the pleading for votes/money to end and the whining about votes/money to begin.
     
  20. VipersGratitude

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    If the results are within a margin of error he could continue his claims of electoral fraud or other Democrat shenanigans and refuse to concede defeat. This would cause a constitutional crisis as there is no defined procedure for that eventuality. All the procedures that are normally carried out during the interregnum period hinge on the concession speech, which has worked on an honour system for the past 244 years. Rather than simply declare himself Emperor, Trump could legitimise his coup by using the contingent election procedure, and maintain that he's actually throwing a bone to his opponent because he surely would have won an uncorrupted election.
     

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