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Motors Bit-Tech F1 2020 thread - Race 11: Germany but not Germany [Eifel - Nurburgring]

Discussion in 'General' started by RedFlames, 2 Feb 2020.

  1. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    Calendar

    Races

    1. 3-5 July - Austrian Grand Prix (Red Bull Ring)
    2. 10-12 July - Styrian Grand Prix (Red Bull Ring)
    3. 17-19 July - Hungarian Grand Prix (Hungaroring)
    4. 31 July-2 August - British Grand Prix (Silverstone)
    5. 7-9 August - 70th Anniversary Grand Prix (Silverstone)
    6. 14-16 August - Spanish Grand Prix (Barcelona)
    7. 28-30 August - Belgian Grand Prix (Spa)
    8. 4-6 September - Italian Grand Prix (Monza)
    9. 11-13 September - Tuscan Grand Prix (Mugello)
    10. 25-27 September - Russian Grand Prix (Sochi)
    11. 9-11 October - Eifel Grand Prix (Nurburgring)
    12. 23-25 October - Portuguese Grand Prix (Portimao)
    13. 31 Oct-1 November - Emilia Romagna Grand Prix (Imola)
    14. 13-15 November - Turkish Grand Prix (Istanbul Park)
    15. 27-29 November - Bahrain Grand Prix (Sakhir)
    16. 4-6 December - Sakhir Grand Prix (Sakhir)
    17. 11-13 December = Abu Dhabi Grand Prix (Yas Marina)

    Teams

    Alfa Romeo Racing [Switzerland]


    Chassis: C39
    Engine: Ferrari

    Team Principal: Frederic Vasseur

    Drivers:
    7 – Kimi Raikkonen [Finalnd]
    99 – Antonio Giovanazzi [Italy]

    Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda [Italy]

    Chassis: AT01
    Engine: Honda

    Team Principal: Franz Tost

    Drivers:
    10 – Pierre Gasly [France]
    26 – Daniil Kvyat [Russia]​


    Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow [Italy]

    Chassis: SF1000
    Engine: Ferrari

    Team Principal: Mattia Binotto

    Drivers:
    5 – Sebastien Vettel [Germany]
    16 – Charles Leclerc [Monaco]​


    Haas F1 Team [USA]

    Chassis: VF-20
    Engine: Ferrari

    Team Principal: Gunther Steiner

    Drivers:
    8 – Romain Gosjean [France]
    20 – Kevin Magnussen [Denmark]​


    McLaren F1 Team [UK]

    Chassis: MCL35
    Engine: Renault

    Team Principal: Andreas Seidl

    Drivers:
    55 – Carlos Sainz [Spain]
    4 – Lando Norris [UK]​


    Mercedes-AMG Petronas Formula One Team [Germany]

    Chassis: W11
    Engine: Mercedes

    Team Principal: Toto Wolff

    Drivers:
    44 – Lewis Hamilton [UK]
    77 – Valtteri Bottas [Finalnd]​


    SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team [UK]

    Chassis: W10 RP20
    Engine: Mercedes

    Team Principal: Otmar Szafnauer

    Drivers:​

    11 – Sergio Perez [Mexico], Rounds 1-3, 6- (missed Rounds 4-5 due to COVID-19)
    18 – Lance Stroll [Canada]
    27 – Nico Hulkenberg [Germany], Rounds 4-5 (COVID Stand-in for Sergio Perez)​


    Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda [Austria]


    Chassis: RB16
    Engine: Honda

    Team Principal: Christian Horner

    Drivers:
    23 – Alexander Albon [Thailand]
    33 – Max Verstappen [Netherlands]​


    Renault F1 Team [France]


    Chassis: R.S. 20
    Engine: Renault

    Team Principal: Cyril Abitboul

    Drivers:
    3 – Daniel Ricciardo [Australia]
    31 – Esteban Ocon [France]​


    Williams Racing [UK]


    Chassis: FW43
    Engine: Mercedes

    Team Principal: Claire Williams, Rounds 1-8
    Team Principal: Simon Roberts, Rounds 9-

    Drivers:
    6 – Nicholas Latifi [Canada]
    63 – George Russel [UK]​
     
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  2. BentAnat

    BentAnat Software Dev

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    Suggestion: Add the launch dates to the first post, perhaps.
    As it stands, to my knowledge:

    • Scuderia Ferrari: February 11
    • Renault Sport F1: February 12
    • McLaren F1 Team: February 13
    • Mercedes-AMG F1: February 14
    • Scuderia AlphaTauri: February 14
    • Racing Point F1: February 17
    • Williams Racing: February 17
    • Haas F1 Team: February 19, 8:00 a.m. local time (2:00 a.m. EST)
    • Alfa Romeo Racing: February 19, 8:15 a.m. local time (2:15 a.m. EST)
    • Red Bull Racing: To Be Announced
     
  3. legoman

    legoman breaker of things

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    Need to put Hanoi on TBC too now.

    Odds on the RP not being pink?
     
  4. Sentinel-R1

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    Was going to say about RP being rebranded Aston Martin Racing F1..

    When does that come into effect? Articles sounded like it was with immediate effect.

    Also, Merc chassis seems to follow on with W11. Here's an official engine start teaser from Merc:

    EDIT: No, seems to be 2021 onwards. My bad.
     
  5. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    Depends when their deal with BWT is up, i reckon it'll stay pink this year and then change next.
     
  6. legoman

    legoman breaker of things

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    True, Maybe pink an BRG, that'll be hideous
     
  7. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    So... how many sandbags will Merc bring to testing?
    Just how bad will the 2020 Williams be?

    ...thoughts and predictions on testing?
     
  8. Spraduke

    Spraduke Lurker

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    I reckon it might be a strong year for Redbull, they were already snapping at the heals of Merc on downforce heavy tracks and the Honda PU doesn't seem to be massively down on power anymore. Should be an interesting year (normally is close when the regs dont change)
     
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    B1GBUD ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Accidentally Funny

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    legoman breaker of things

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  11. BentAnat

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    I reckon merc will, as always, mask performance in testing. Ferrari will show glory runs.
    Williams has good chances to be better than last year (can't be much worse, can it?), provided they can get a chassis through testing and put in enough miles. Rumours were that their chassis failed the crash test gloriously late last year.
    RBR will be quick in the corners, slow on the straights... I don't think they build cars that are fast on the straights.
     
  12. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    RBR have always relied on Newey's aero wizardy to offset their [typically] weak chosen engine. Whereas i think going through a speed trap was the only place the recent Williams were ever fast.
     
  13. BentAnat

    BentAnat Software Dev

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    Exactly that.
     
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    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    So back to the pre bitch energy livery...
     
  16. The_Crapman

    The_Crapman Don't phone it's just for fun.

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    Early predictions
    Mercedes: I don't think they can afford a full switcheroo this year, so the car in first testing will largely be the car for the season. Hamilton will DOMINATE Bottas all year, whether through his own skill, a little word in the ear or just his shear unhuman will to get to 100/7. Another championship double. Bottas FINNishes 3rd, leaves Mercedes at the end of the year for shock signing ______.

    Ferrari: Another season where they aim straight at both feet. Still unwilling to openly declare Leclerc the best and No1 will cause countless troubles. There will be poles, podiums and wins, but will realistically be nowhere in either championship. Leclerc 4th and Vettel 6th who leaves at the end of the season into retirement, having seen in the simulator that next year's car will show him up even more. Team 3rd.

    Red Bull: Verstappen will be challenging Hamilton every step of the way. I don't think it will be quite like the old McLaren vs Red Bull days, but there will definitely be a lot of tracks favouring one team. Verstappen to finish a solid second. Albon gets a bit too debonair and is dumped back into toro rosso Red Bull Jnr mid season, replaced by Gasly or a massive wildcard that no one saw coming. Finish 2nd in WCC.

    McLaren: Another phenomenal season heading the midfield. Sainz and Norris still having a big old love-in. Sainz finishes 5th thanks to consistency, a little luck, some stellar drives and Heir Stoppypants dropping it on several occasions. Norris top 10.

    Renault: Oh dear, oh dear. Car goes backwards, people scratch heads, takes baby steps forwards, then giant leap backwards as someone forgets to carry the 3(hundred). Drivetrain problems continue to halt them when they're having a good day costing them valuable points. Both drivers on par with each other, neither get a podium and will struggle to get into top 10, team finish 6th or maybe 7th, it'll be super tight. Ricciardo comes to the realisation that it's better to be number 2 in a good car than number 1 in a crap car and moves to Ferrari. Ocon has a good yer despite the cars problems, shows he's matured and lines himself up for a drive at Mercedes next year, but doesn't get it. :jawdrop: Renault have 1 year in 2021 new regs to pull it out the bag or the whole team gets folded.

    Toro Rosso Alfa Romeo Alpha Centauri :rollingeyes: **** it, Toro Rosso: The team have a fantastic year scrapping it out with Renault and coming out on top for the majority. Gasly and Kvyat both scoring more often than not, Gasly constantly reminding Red Bull that he's a quality driver and punching above the cars, likely to be switched back with Albon. Kvyat, safe in the knowledge that there's not really anyone in the young driver programme that's threatening to be promoted, finally learns to relax and enjoy it and has some good results of his own. Team to finish 5th, at least 1 driver in top 10 if not 2 (Kvyat and Albon with his Red Bull points). Would not be surprised for both Kvyat and Albon to be retained for 2021, a stable platform for new regs. Kvyat may move to Renault.

    Aqua Teen Hunger Force: With deals going on behind the scenes for 2021, there's not much money, development or impetus for this year. Development all but ends after Belgium updates, if not Spain with a minor uplift at Belgium. They'll have some good days at high speed tracks, but by and large they're at the back of the midfield/front of the rear end. Checo has some decent moments, Stroll has some terrible ones. No one really cares, it's all about 2021. Perez to continue next year in "Aston Martin", alongside Bottas. By this time even papa stroll has had enough of of the marionette and tells him to piss off to indy. They like crashes. Team finish 8th or 9th.

    Hagen Haas: After the turmoil of last season, both car and drivers turn up this season. Steiner has the drivers balls in an incredibly tight grip, any in team fighting is to be clean or you're dead, team orders are to be followed INSTANTLY and to be fair thwy play ball, knowing if they continue on their destructive path that other teams aren't likely to want them should they be let go. The car is much better this year, more consistent, easier on the tyres, but definitely 7th. It will be REALLY close between them, force India and alfa at times, but they'll also be waiting to mop up the messes left by Renault explosions.

    AlFa romeo Kilo: They're not sure who they're meant to be. Are they Ferrari Jnr? Are they Haas 2.0? What are we even doing again? In case you're wondering this has taken far longer than it should have done and I'm loosing concentration, much like Kimi (why the **** is that being auto corrected to Limited?) wandering off for a Magnum. Having said that, Kimi will continue to show why, despite only having 1 championship to his name, he's one of the best of all time. When he can be arsed. He'll show again that Giovinazi just isn't cut it for the top, then retire at the end of the season. Latifi to come in. They'll fight with FI for 8th. Probably finish 9th though, concentrating far too much on helping Ferrari with next year's car.

    Williams:


    DEAD. ****ING. LAST.
    They'll be much improved on last year's car, but they'll still be slower than everyone else on the grid. Until a Renault blows up. Both Russell and Latifi show great frit and determination to drag the car over the finish line, but if the team ends up with double digit points I'd be shocked. To the point of 5strokes at once. At the end of the season, everyone is in tears, as they know Williams is not coming back next year. They might sell the name and equipment to some consortium, but it won't BE Williams. Russell joins Mercedes, Latifi to Alfa.

     
  17. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    TL-DR: Cancelling China could make Zandvoort *very* interesting as there'll be nearly month between it an the preceding race [longer if vietnam gets cancelled too]
     
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    The_Crapman Don't phone it's just for fun.

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    3 races in they'll have enough data and enough shots of competitors cars to come back with some BIG updates, if they're brave enough anyway. Problem I see with that, is that Mercedes have shown that the best way to develop a car is with small incremental upgrades. If you whack 5 different developments on the car at the same time and end up slower, how do you sort out what is bad and what is good?

    New Haas "livery"
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    Allegedly last years Ferrari painted black and white.

    2020 Ferrari
    [​IMG]

    It's "extreme", apparently. There's certainly a hell of a lot of and very busy furniture in between the front of the nose cone and the side pods.
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    If you go to 27:30 on the reveal video you can see it better when it first gets lit up. I know that area has been massively developed in the last couple of years, but that looks something else.
     
  19. fix-the-spade

    fix-the-spade Well-Known Member

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    It has Viking Horns. Only little ones, but they're there.
     
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