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Motors Bit-Tech F1 2021 thread - Race 16: Turkey

Discussion in 'General' started by RedFlames, 13 Dec 2020.

  1. fix-the-spade

    fix-the-spade Multimodder

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    Mainly because 'Mission Winnow' isn't a tobacco brand, in fact it doesn't appear to be anything at all, the website is nothing but a pile of corporate gobbledygook about communication and make the world better.

    Some places (Australia) are having none of it and make Ferrari/Ducati take the MW branding off but it seems ot be an effective legal loophole to advertise a subsidiary of Philip Morris that 'isn't' related to tobacco. If it was up to me they wouldn't be allowed to do it, but if it was up to me I'd have the SAS train by hunting tobacco executives and their families.
     
  2. mrlongbeard

    mrlongbeard Multimodder

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    C'mon, scroll right to the bottom of the webpage, PMI put their name on it, that it is not a specific product is neither here nor there.
    That the Aussie don't let it slide says a whole hell of a lot
     
  3. rollo

    rollo Modder

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    Most places f1 goes could not give a toss about tobacco sponsors. Main reason it was stopped is mostly due to EU regulations on tobacco advertising.

    Seems to be a constant stream of drivers with covid now, Partying to hard in dubia I bet.
     
  4. fix-the-spade

    fix-the-spade Multimodder

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    I agree completely, but the lawyers will argue that Mission Winnow as a subsidiary company is not involved in the production or distribution of tobacco, so doesn't fall under the advertising ban.

    I would argue the ban needs updating to include even indirect advertising like the Philip Morris paid for hospitality circus that follows Ferrari and Ducati around the world, that's even more insidious than Mission Winnow.

    EDIT

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/virtual-grand-prix-series-return/

    In other news, the Geogre Russell bullies everyone around F1 games show is making it's un-desired comeback.
     
  5. enbydee

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    The way this is phrased makes it sound like they're soon to launch a two-seater?
     
  6. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    No idea, but the winter/testing liveries are normally more interesting/exciting than what they inevitably go racing with.
     
  7. jinq-sea

    jinq-sea 'write that down in your copy book' Super Moderator

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    Re: Mission Winnow/A Better Tomorrow/VYPE, is it?

    I think because it relates to non-burnt tobacco, it's different - I'm not putting forward a view on it, but I think that's the why.
     
  8. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    F1 frequently demonstrates its commitment to business ethics by hosting races in super-ethical places, like Russia, Bahrain, Saudia Arabia, Abu Dhabi... etc.
     
  9. mrlongbeard

    mrlongbeard Multimodder

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    Yeah, but the EU put a stupid ass ban on advertising of any vape products into effect a couple of years ago.
     
  10. jinq-sea

    jinq-sea 'write that down in your copy book' Super Moderator

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    Ah - don't think I knew that. Tobacco companies masquerading as technology companies, eh!
     
  11. sandys

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    A110 is the two seater
     
  12. Spraduke

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    Tbh I'm happy for them to throw money at F1 as its so unclear that they actually are promoting tobacco products. I imagine its a giant waste of money for them. Unless there are mission winnow tobacco products someone can see and buy any brand awareness is largely wasted effort (much like you can't buy rich energy :hehe:)

    Maybe I'm wrong and there are kiddies around the globe wanting to take up vaping/smoking after watching F1 but I find that unlikely. Now the fact that the likes of Juul get away with berry flavoured vape, which is clearly intended to help appeal to younger people, is wholly immoral.
     
  13. mrlongbeard

    mrlongbeard Multimodder

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    Absolute pish and nonsense.
    Teen use of vapes is going down, latest research shows that vaping is unlikely to be a gateway to real cigarettes.
    Now if you'll excuse me I have a rather nice strawberry twinkie juice all ready to go in a fresh atty.
     
  14. rollo

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    Australian open has just proven why the F1 Grand prix is a no go. 2 week mandatory quarentine on arrival and not allowed to go anywhere beside the courts.
     
  15. lilgoth89

    lilgoth89 Captin Calliope

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    [​IMG]

    Ferrari have revealed their 2021 car, claims 10% faster than the 2020 model
     
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  16. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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  17. nOracle

    nOracle What's a Dremel?

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    My instant response to that was "It's not legal, it's got 6 wheels!"
     
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  18. noizdaemon666

    noizdaemon666 I'm Od, Therefore I Pwn

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    It's Ferrari, they prefer to think of the rules as more like guidelines ;)
     
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  19. Mr_Mistoffelees

    Mr_Mistoffelees The Rotary Cat.

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    FTFY.
     
  20. lilgoth89

    lilgoth89 Captin Calliope

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    im just trying to imagine a race of those around Monaco ... or Baku
     

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