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Discussion in 'General' started by RedFlames, 13 Dec 2020.

  1. RedFlames

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    Is the poison dwarf not dead yet?

    Shame.
     
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  3. David

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    Give it a couple or four years and they'll be sniffing around for some Russian money again.
     
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    In news that will shock precisely no-one -

     
  5. RedFlames

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    Ricciardo's car for the rest of the season...

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    Even with him going Mclaren will give him the best car they can, they want to beat Alpine and they'll still want him to do well. They're not Red Bull after all.

    I ca nsee this being the end of Ricciardo, I can't think of another drive who's gone from so great to falling so flat (except maybe Rene Arnoux).
     
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    Apparently, it was a done deal before both McLaren and D-Ric said they were all good and one big happy family.
     
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    Porsche: So once we' own the team
    Red Bull: When you have a stake in our team.
    Porsche: We will be in charge
    Red Bull: You will provide financial, technological and logistical support as we continue to run the team.
    Porsche: We will dictate the direction of the company, hire drivers and make engineering decisions.
    Red Bull: Dietrich Mateschitz will decide the direction of the company, Christian Horner will control hiring and Adrian Newey remains in charge of all engineering decisions.
    Porsche: We fear there is a language barrier issue. We are giving you our specific instructions and you are not following them, are our instructions unclear?
    Red Bull: No, your requests have been perfectly clear...

    That's how it's going down in my mind. At this point I actually think the return of Red Bull Honda is becoming more likely by the day. The Honda engine is good now, there is a budget cap for engine development coming and Honda's looking ta it more as a marketing excersize than engineering one.

    Re: Piastri, nobody surprised. However I think this is the end of Ricciardo in F1. Gasly at Alpine, Red Bull jr in Alpha Tauri, GP2 hot shoe or Mick Schumacher at Haas/Williams respectively.
     
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    By all accounts that's how things typically go with Sauber too. Especially when Andretti was sniffing around.
     
  12. fix-the-spade

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    Given that first Mercedes in the 90s then BMW in the 00s tried to more or less burn the place down on their way out, I'm not surprised Sauber's owners are very protective of it.
     
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    The Red Bull engine deal doesn't make sense. Going to those lengths to secure independance to essentially hand over the keys to the Kingdom and go back to a works deal that is at the whims of bean counters and suits.
     
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    Don't forget Red Bull has two teams, they could rebrand one of them to Porsche and hand it over while keeping the other one under their own control.
     
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    Even if they try going down that route, the team they'd try handing over is not the team Porsche wants.

    Meanwhile, seems Danny Ric's F1 career is almost certainly over, as Gasly is slated for Alpine and Colton Herta to Alpha Tauri if he can get his super license. Danny may have to take Mclaren's proposal to drive for them in another series.
     
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    I suspect they thought (as I did) that Porsche would be positively excited to have their name on the car at the front without demanding extreme levels of control!

    Feels like they are missing a trick given the very obvious challenges faced by both engine or constructor manufacturers over the last ten years...
     
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    Red Bull just confirmed Gasly to Alpine tho Marko said that the move will be confirmed if Herta gets his super licence. Funny choice of words unless Marko has a literal chain round his ankle.

    As for Riccardo, there still is the possibility of Williams and Haas. McLarens offer of another series really seems tempting tbh.

    I'm wondering if that would be Andretti's way into the sport with maybe a deal to use Red Bull power Trains and a junior or two

    Either way Porche's options seem to be narrowing to powering Williams next year, Buying Aston Martin or maybe enticing McLaren with a works deal
     
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    I don't see Williams or Mclaren biting for the same reasons Red Bull fell through. I can see Porsche getting Lawrence Stroll to sell up, but I also see Stroll's ego preventing him from doing that until he literally cannot afford to do anything else, Billionaires are historically poor at admitting to failure.
     
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  19. David

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    That seems at odds with the mindset of someone making billions. The ability to see failure and cut it loose would be more conducive to success.
     
  20. RedFlames

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    Not always, some get into the mindset that every move they make is correct - after all they're a billionaire and they must be doing it right. If there was a mistake [which there wasn't bc they're a billionaire and everything they touch turns to gold] then obviously someone else has made a mistake.
     

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