I don't intend to. And ofcourse I don't know about Norway's prisons, but over here it's just ridiculous. But again, lets keep it away from this thread.
And do you really believe he will in jail for 21 years without any "incident" happening after what he did ? Unless he will be the whole 21 years in one room without contact with other prisoners, he will not get out there alive. I will be surprised if he will manage to survive first 1-2 years. And if he will get in a mental institution, then again - he will have to be there for lifetime, because i'm sure someone will take revenge on him for what he did. 93 dead people is too big number for finding a mentally less stable relative who will take justice in their own hands.
He doesn't sound like a nutcase to me. He sounds very much like a man with a plan, albeit one that doesn't conform to the norms of society but still a cold, calculating plan. You don't just wake up one day deciding to kill as many people as possible, setting up a major diversion like a car bomb, then dress as a policeman and go to one of the hardest to reach places but with a large supply of people, on a whim. A lot of cold, hard planning went into that job, I should imagine. Definitely not a nutter. (I'm not a psychologist and this isn't a professional opinion but still...)
Just found out today he was Andersnordic in WoW and played in Nordrassil EU's Unit guild on Alliance, was quite shocking to discover that. I was in an opposing faction in a top end guild as well at the time and had spotted him on a few occasions.
Just because he is capable of forethought, planning and attention to detail doesn't make him sane or rational. Stalkers exhibit the same abilities. So do psychopaths. It's no big deal.
There are many ways to describe Behring, but dumb would not be one of them. He is most definitely not stupid - batshit insane, yes - but not stupid. It is clear that while his insanity does not seem to know any bounds, he does possess a form of twisted and deranged intelligence most probably well above average. Today he will have his first hearing at court, and while he himself asks for open doors and free access for the world press, the police requests the doors to be closed. Behring himself has admitted that he intended to use the trial as a mouthpiece to get his opinions and his message spread across the world. While I am usually very reluctant to advocate sensorship, in this instance I sincerely hope the judge rules that the doors be closed. That all Behring will face is an empty courtroom and only his judge to listen to his deranged justifications for the atrocity he has committed. However, regardless of how the opening trials are effected, I remain confident that his actions will not have the effect Behring intended and hoped for. He will not win. Update: The court has ruled that the preliminary hearings will be held behind closed doors. He will not have his desired audience.
I'm not sure of the details regarding the maximum penalty of 21 years, but I would be willing to bet in this case it will be 21 years per crime committed, and not in parallel. 21*93= 1,953 years in prison. And that isn't counting the myriad of charges added to the 93 deaths so far. Discharging a weapon in a public place, use of chemicals other then their intended purpose....you'd be surprised at how creative people can get in courts.
Well, no. He will not get more than 21 years as an initial sentence - 21 years is the absolute maximum sentence regardless of crime in Norway. However, norwegian courts can rule that he be sentenced to 21 years forvaring (I do not know the english term for this) which basically allows them to keep him locked up indefinitely if they judge him as a threat to himself or the public.
Interesting, a quick call to my lawyer confirms the 21 years is the max, and that stacking sentences isn't allowed. But, he also pointed me to some research on re offense rates. Norway's concentration on rehabilitation and re integration works. We need to remember, this act is a statistical outlier, and shouldn't be used to change a system that yields the lowest re offense rate in all of Europe, the UK and the US. On side note, how cool is it that an American can call his South African lawyer about Norwegian law and get an answer?
I doubt he'll get what he deserves as what he deserves is to die as many times as the lives he took...now that would be justice...if only.
Apparently it is possible that Breivik can be sentenced to 30 years behind bars. A new law was adopted in 2005 which makes it possible in cases of war crimes and/or crimes against humanity, to convict felons to up to 30 years. Whether or not this includes forvaring I do not know, but I would assume so. Therefore, if they can find a way to charge - and sentence - him with crimes against humanity, or war crimes, he will receive 30 years. However the trial goes when the time comes, Breivik will never be a free man again - there is no doubt to this. But, it is down to the criminal psychiatrist to determine whether or not Breivik is fit for trial. If not, Breivik will be sentenced to spending the rest of his life (probably) in a mental institution. Breivik is now - obviously - imprisoned for the next eight weeks while awaiting his trial - four of which will be in isolation. If the authorities are unable to mount a trial by this time, his preliminary imprisonment will be extended of course, and the police will consider asking for an extended period of isolation when the four initial weeks are up.
One thing to note though, if it is found that a person still poses a threat to society after 21 years in jail, they can be kept there until they are no-longer deemed a threat.
This whole '21 years' nonsense sounds to me like just a way around human rights issues such as cruel and unusual punishment - he will never be released. I really wish people would think twice before giving in to tabloid sensationalism, as these are the kind of knee-jerk reactions that lead to ******** laws like the US's three-strikes policy.
I heard the story of a survivor, this morning. The guy was there with his 2 younger brothers, first he saw a ''Police'' arrived, then a young woman running in his direction with a smile, thinking that he was there for a security speach. This police pulled out a gun and shot the girl in the chest then in the head. Seeing that, the man cried out 'Run, hide! He's here to kill us !'. The shooter opened fire on the kids, people's ran for their life, some hiding in the bushes, others in the rocks. After a while, the shooter cried something like 'Police ! We are here to help you !'.....sadly, some poor souls were fooled. I remember had the same feeling when I heard the news of Virginia Tech, I do really feel shoked and sad about this whole mess. What can we do to prevent futures incident like this......that's the problem, we can't do nothing just.... egoistically hoped that it will not happen to you or your friend. About the 21 years or the possible 30 if they accuse him for crime against humanity, that's a pure joke. He will be as nutz as he are even in 50 years, it should be life or death...and sadly neither of these options is possible in Norway.
Not sad at all. He has taken life. We are better than him. We shall not take his life, we shall just do our utmost to make him see his wrong. We must punish all our wrongdoers with love.
I hope sincerely that you are joking, because if not, well you are one hell of a naive person. This kind of man can't be resonated, a man who planned something like that is not an idiot, he is inteligent, organized, methodical, he have to be a blind believer and have full faith in what he was doing. He know that what he have done is right, you can't deal with that. Even in 30 years this man will be dangerous
You're right. He's intelligent, but he's wrong. I have always believed the greatest punishment is to be taught how wrong the actions you have committed are. He is smart, and he is sane, he is even somewhat rational. He can be made to see that what he has done is wrong. We've been killing people for doing bad things for all of our species' existence - it doesn't stop bad things happening. All the evidence suggests that, basically, being nice to, and helping, people who commit horrible crimes results in the best outcome for both them and for society. Once we get past our petty revenge we can see this. Would you rather this man be killed, or that this man serves a sentence and then benefits society? We must always be prepared to forgive, and to accept. My hope is not that Breivik gets executed or jailed for life. My hope is that he is rehabilitated, and goes on to serve society, in full realisation of what he has done. There would be no greater punishment, and no better punishment.
You can give love to a car thief, a junkie, a gangster, a man who beat his wife, a soldier, even an alcoholic who by accident killed. You can put all your efforts for peoples who have the right to redemption but in this particular case you just can't. There is no redemption for this, he deserve nothing, I don't want him redeem his poor soul, find the ways of the good lord, bring peace to his own heart and benefits society. He crossed the PNR, it's over. You know I always used to say 'bring love, peace and help within the reasonable limits' and this is far away from these limits.
