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Build Advice Building my first custom PC

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by nuithoth, 22 Jul 2009.

  1. nuithoth

    nuithoth New Member

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    About to buy my first new computer in about a decade, and to say the least, I'm not really sure what I'm doing. I was hoping to get some help from some of the more experienced users and see what they think of the components I've selected so far from newegg.com. Keep in mind I'm hoping that these components will be able to play Crysis on "XP" at a playable framerate using the hacked "Very High" settings on DX 9. I'm also hoping that the case listed will provide adequate cooling for the video card (I've read that it heats up fast). Before I list off the components, I wanted to know if the X2 5400+ is adequate for the HD 4890. I've read if you don't have the right processor your GPU will bottleneck, and it seems like a lot of Crysis users seem to think dual-core is the way to go since Crysis is optimized for it. Well there's my spiel. Any and all suggestions and help appreciated. Thanks in advance for any info.

    My other dilemma is not being sure which video card to go with. I've seen mixed benchmarks for both the 4890 and the Sapphire Vapor-X 4870 2 gb cards on Crysis. Some sites and users say the latter works wonderfully, others say it's unplayable. I don't know what to believe anymore. My concern with the Sapphire is that it has no warranty, at least one is not listed on newegg for it, whereas the card with the notorious heating issues has a double lifetime warranty. Decisions decisions.


    Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
    Item #: N82E16811129021
    Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy -$32.50 Instant $139.99
    $107.49

    Seagate ST3500641AS-RK 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - Retail
    Item #: N82E16822148221
    Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $59.99

    ASUS M4A79T Deluxe AM3 DDR3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
    Item #: N82E16813131363
    Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
    Protect Your Investment (expand for options) -$10.00 Instant $199.99
    $189.99

    XFX HD-489A-ZDFC Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
    Item #: N82E16814150359
    Return Policy: VGA Standard Return Policy -$55.00 Instant $249.99
    $194.99

    CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power ... - Retail
    Item #: N82E16817139006
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    Protect Your Investment (expand for options) -$60.00 Instant
    $20.00 Mail-in Rebate Card $179.99
    $119.99

    OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1600LV6GK - Retail
    Item #: N82E16820227365
    Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy -$40.00 Instant
    $10.00 Mail-in Rebate Card $139.99
    $99.99

    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5400+ Brisbane 2.8GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor Model ADO5400DOBOX - Retail
    Item #: N82E16819103235
    Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy

    I'll probably be buying these components sometime around Thursday and want to make sure I'm not going to be getting a processor, motherboard, or GPU that's going to nix my chances for being able to play Crysis on very high (keep in mind it's on XP and I'll probably attempt to OC the 4890 and will also be using a custom config. file for my setup [read about a mod on the crysis forums]. I'm sure you get plenty of these a day so I commend anyone who has the patience to give me some advice. Thanks again!

    EDIT: The above configuration from newegg reflects the ceiling of my budget for the setup.
     
  2. Ph4ZeD

    Ph4ZeD New Member

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    Ditch the AMD and ATi. You specifically mention Crysis which is significantly faster on nVidia setups (for the same money). Get rid of that AMD chip and replace with Intel Dual/Quad core. You could probably save some money by using a Corsair HX620 (which is all you need) rather than the 750W model.
     
  3. ZoFreX

    ZoFreX New Member

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    I'd definitely go Intel rather than AMD. If you want to get maximum bang for buck, I'd save some pennies by getting a slightly cheaper PSU (HX620 sounds like a good bet to me). Also, I would get a custom cooler for the CPU, whichever it is, rather than going stock - then you'll be able to OC the CPU too, so I would choose the CPU and motherboard for overclocking potential.
     
  4. Panomama

    Panomama I once signed up on uniform dating

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    I guess that your in america, that's all i'm saying.
     
  5. DarkBanana

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    You're getting an AM3 motherboard... I don't think your current chip is compatible... Have a look at either the AMD 720 Phenom II X3 Black Edition (which is a triple core and amazing value for money) or the AMD Phenom II X4 955. The 720 is simple the 955 with a faulty (and disabled) core. There's also a dual core version, the 550.

    As for Intel vs AMD... i think it depends what's most value for money at your budget :) Intel has a nice range of Core 2 duos to suit and budget. 5200, 7200 or 8400 are good dual cores (I think). There are some quads as well (but their names escape me) :)

    The RAM you've chosen is also not correct. AMD used dual channel not triple so you need something like 2X2GB or 2X3GB DDR3. Thb, I think 4GB should be enough. Triple channel kits are for Intel's core i7. Try getting lower timings as opposed to higher speeds (timings seem to play a bigger role in games)

    Af for Crysis, even if it's optimised for dual cores, there's no harm in having extra cores. The game just won't use them but future games might!!! nVidia might do better in Cyrsis but in reality it's only a matter of a frame or two. The nVidia equivalent is the 275 which does seem to be a bit better generally but my advice would be to get whichever is cheaper :)

    All the AMD chips are black editions which mean they have an unlocked CPU multiplier to make for easier overclocking. Getting a good aftermarket CPU cooler will allow you to greatly boost the speed of your chips.

    If you seach Bit-tech, they publish a monthly buyers guide which is a good place to look what's good value for money :D
     
  6. DarkBanana

    DarkBanana New Member

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    ps the 4870 will also be able to play Crysis albeit at lower settings. The equivalent nVidia is the 260+ (make sure it has 216 cores) which is faster but more expensive. Basically, the cards in order of performance and price are:

    4870
    260+
    4890
    275

    That said, I think the 4870 is ridiculously cheap in the UK at least and well worth the money :) but it is what I would think of the minimum required to play Crisis decently :S
     
  7. Elton

    Elton Officially a Whisky Nerd

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    Where did you get the prices? Because in newegg, the Antec 900 is still $99.

    And you can stick with the AMD/ATI, just get a X4 940 BE/ X4 955 BE along with the MSI 790FX GD-70. And get Dual channel DDR3, that's triple channel RAM, that's only for X58 boards.

    Or you can go cheaper and just do an Intel build:

    Q9550 + Ep45-UD3P/EVGA 750i.

    Get all this on newegg, it's much cheaper than the quoted prices here. Finally, get the HD4870 1GB, it's cheaper over in America(assuming you live there) the average price is about $140.
     
  8. Moyo2k

    Moyo2k AMD Fanboy

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    NVIDIA FANBOY ALERT

    Crysis is better on NVIDIA cards?
    http://forums.legitreviews.com/about15370.html
    http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3408&p=4

    Not by more than 1fps or so, and let's not forget prices:
    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/512M...R5-GPU-750MHz-800-Cores-2x-DL-DVI-I-HDTV-HDCP - £97.99

    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/896M...6MHz-216-Cores-2x-DL-DVI-I-HDTV-plus-FarCry-2 - £114.99

    :p Ignore the terminator game for a second, that's just a crummy promotion on at the moment
     
  9. epitek

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    @ nuithoth & ph4zed

    Nuithoth, nice build you have there how ever, why would you use a x2 on an AM3 socket ? I have an ASUS crosshair III ($180) and a phenom II 940 ($180) with 4GB DDR3 CBx 1333mhz EVGA 260GTX. You could easily pick up ANY phenom II processor ranging in price from $55-$200. Most places sell out on 955 Black Edition CPU's quickly so snag one if you see it. Might I suggest the Phenom II 550 Black Edition ($100 USD?) GOOD LUCK !

    ph4zed, please don't ever doubt AMD or ATI in fact a 4890 and a phenom II processor is tough to beat in benchmarks or any other demanding program. Intel core i7 entry levels and higher struggle to compete with AMD's Phenom II series.


    :dremel:
     
  10. Moyo2k

    Moyo2k AMD Fanboy

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    I just realised, you did not honestly say you get more Bang for buck from Intel and NVIDIA... mate... wtf have you been this last year... for bang for buck AMD/ATi wins hands down... it's not even a contest - take the HD4870 which is priced similarly to the 9800GTX and it walks all over it.. I mean seriously... look at some prices
     
  11. Jambo72

    Jambo72 Playstuff.net

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    +1 Intel over AMD and Nvidia for Crysis.
     
  12. Elton

    Elton Officially a Whisky Nerd

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    If you're building only a rig for Crysis, get an X3 720 + GTX 260.
     

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