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Build Advice Building my first NEW PC

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by Bituser, 13 Aug 2011.

  1. Bituser

    Bituser 64 Gigglebytes

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    Hey Guys,

    I'm about to endeavor on the challenge of creating my very first computer from brand new parts. I've always reused what I have had or bought second hand parts from sites like ebay, but I feel that I require a lot more grunt and want to feel the excitement of building a PC.

    I've compiled a list of parts which I would like. I have a relatively low budget of $2000 NZ ($1 664.6USD) which I want to stick within. I expect to be playing a bit of Crysis 2 at 1920x1080p if that is possible with parts at my price range.

    The company which I have chosen to purchase my parts from is PB Tech NZ - http://www.pbtech.co.nz/ (Please note that all prices exclude GST unless you click "GST Inclusive"). PB Tech is pretty much the best place for getting these parts in NZ so if you are making suggestions please try and ensure the parts are actually there first ;). I won't worry about speakers, keyboard, mouse of DVD/Bluray drives at the moment as the ones I currently have are sufficient.

    What I need to be able to do:
    • Video Editing
    • Photoshop - Large images
    • Heavy Gaming
    • Web Developing
    • Programming
    • Virtual Computers

    Here is the list I have compiled:

    CPU - http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z...-sandy-bridge-Quad-Core-i5-2500K-HT-3.3GHz-6M

    Motherboard - http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z...k-P67-Extreme-4-LGA-1155-(Revised-B3-Stepping

    RAM - http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z...ton-DDR3-1600MHz-12GB-HyperX-Kit-(3x4GB)-CL9-

    HDD - http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z...rn-Digital-2TB-Black-Edition-64MB-SATA3-Inter

    PSU - http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z...R-MASTER-GX-750W-PSU-SLI-Ready--Single-+12V-r

    GPU - http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z...ire-HD6870-1G-GDDR5-Video-card-Dual-link-DVI-

    Case - http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z...-Nine-Hundred-Two-V3-ATX-Mid-Tower-Case--Side

    Screen - http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z...341V-BN-23-LED-Monitor-(16:9)-;-1920X1080-;-5


    Please note that I am new to the forums so I am not sure if I have done everything correctly.


    Thanks in advance,
    Sam:)
     
  2. Bituser

    Bituser 64 Gigglebytes

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    I know there is no such thing as a Future proof computer, but do you think these specs would keep up for long?
     
  3. Pookeyhead

    Pookeyhead It's big, and it's clever.

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    Another user who places the monitor at the bottom of the priority list.

    If you are a heavy Photoshop user (you mention large images, so it's likely) and spend a great deal of time editing videos, why are you buying a crappy TN panel? Seriously, spend a little more and get a IPS panel.. they're not as expensive as they used to be. 23" 1920x1080 is a little restrictive for editing large images as well, but to step up in resolution is a large price hike. At least get a IPS screen the same size though! A U2311 or something.

    You're really going to build this nice rig and use a bargain basement screen?

    Also, you list a triple channel RAM kit, but have a dual channel motherboard. Using 3 slots may have stability issues, especially if you want to overclock. I'd use either 2 or 4. In fact, if you want to overclock, I'd stick to using the 2 main slots (8GB). If not overclocking, I'd get a 4x4 kit and get 16GB; editing HD video is a MASSIVE memory user.
     
  4. TheManicGibbon

    TheManicGibbon I have no idea what's going on

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    The RAM you have listed is triple channel; for that motherboard and CPU you need dual channel.

    Also, I would consider getting a Samsung Spinpoint F3 instead of a WD Black, they're cheaper even if you combine 2 of them to get 2TB :)

    Not available at the shop you use but a quick Google revealed plenty of other stockists in New Zealand.

    Perhaps also consider an SSD, even if it's just a 64GB model for Windows as a boot drive.

    Hope this helps.

    EDIT: Ninja'd, I'd agree with bumping it up to 16GB, might as well :)
     
  5. Bituser

    Bituser 64 Gigglebytes

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    @Pookeyhead I am a huge Photoshop user, but I have never had a decent screen in my life. My current primary computer is a Toshiba Satellite l300, 3gb RAM, 2ghz Celeron, Integrated Graphics. It's a huge step for me. I'll definitely spend more money on a better screen if it's worth it, I don't see any point going higher that 1080 for my application and it is a little expensive (I could always do it later and dual screen). When looking for IPS monitors am I looking for IPS or is there something else that identifies them?

    Which would you pick out of these?
    http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z...U2311H-23-UltraSharp-Monitor-;IPS-(In-Plane-S
    http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z...S236V-PN-23-IPS-Panel-LED-Monitor-;-which-com



    I had a slight feeling that the dual channel RAM in three slots might be a problem, it appears that it is only going to cost $80 to bump the RAM up to 16gb.

    Does this stick look any different to you? http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=MEMKIN1033651B I just thought I would grab the x3 kit + x1 of that stick.



    Thanks Guys! I really appreciate it.

    PS: With a build this big should I bother waiting until the Ivy Bridge processors are revealed or will it not change much?
     
  6. mucgoo

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    The u2311
    It's not the bump in resolution or screen size which warrants spending more on the screen.
    IPS just have much better image quality due to better colour accuracy and contrast.

    Ivy bridge will be out of your budget at least given how expensive hardware is in new zealand
     
  7. Pookeyhead

    Pookeyhead It's big, and it's clever.

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    The Dell. I'm fairly certain they both use the same panel, but so many people on here use, and swear by the Dell I'd just go with that.

    Seems to look the same to me. So long as they're all the same brand, speed, latency etc there should be no problem. I'd try to go for lower voltage RAM though, as that seems to be the way forward so far as being as future proof as possible goes. There are DDR3 1600 modules that run at 1.5v out there.

    Personally I think I'll grab this set

    http://www.scan.co.uk/products/16gb...pc3-12800-(1600)-non-ecc-cas-9-9-9-24-xmp-15v

    Then I can use three of them in my current, rig, and add the fourth when I upgrade to LGA2011.
     
  8. mucgoo

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    The LG use LED's instead of CFL back light as the main difference and so is slightly inferior.
    The LG in the UK is around 30% cheaper though so it can compete. When both the same price the dell everytime.
     
  9. telephonebox

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    I recommend grabbing an ssd and a better monitor as the others say, difference will be very noticeable.
     
  10. getDownShep

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    An extra question about the graphics card, what would be a good card for someone who wants to use a computer for something similar, but not for games. Everyone I see mentioned on the forum seems to be priced around the £200 mark, but I wouldn't like to spend that much if I didn't need to
     
  11. Bituser

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    Man the parts look cheap in the UK. I'll have a look around New Zealand and see if I can get the Corsair Ram.
     
  12. mucgoo

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    We say the same thing when we see US prices.
     
  13. padrejones2001

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    I feel like a broken record, but editing video without a scratch disk is a pretty miserable experience. Even using Photoshop can get pretty miserable.
     
  14. Pookeyhead

    Pookeyhead It's big, and it's clever.

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    Actually.. I'll confirm this. Make sure you have a fast HDD purely for this... or at least one with loads of space that isn't being used by windows for anything.
     
  15. Bituser

    Bituser 64 Gigglebytes

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    I may or may not pass on this one for a little while. I see where you are coming from, but in my opinion it won't be essential immediately. By "fast" would you mean an SSD? Would an 80GB be fine for the job? I will compile a list of the components and total cost soon.
     
  16. padrejones2001

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    No, what he's referring to is the fact that you can't concurrently read and write to the same drive. So you could have a brand new computer, with all the bells and whistles, and it would run like garbage because you don't have a hard drive dedicated to editing. The faster the hard drive, the less latency you'll experience.
     
  17. Pookeyhead

    Pookeyhead It's big, and it's clever.

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    ^this.


    Windows is almost constantly accessing drive:C for it's scratch disk etc, so it's never going to be the fastest drive in your rig. However.. once teh system starts to run out of physical RAM (which it will even with 8, 12 or 16GB) when editing large HD video or multiple hi-res tiffs... but especially editing video... this access to drive C becomes almost constant. Because you're out of physical RAM, Premiere, or Photoshop also starts to rely on it's own scratch disk (you can set this drive in preferences). If you have only one drive (C) then both Windows and Premiere will be fighting for access to it. The result is a seriously slow machine.

    If you have a separate drive who's only purpose is a scratch disk for your apps (NOT Windows), then it performs MUCH faster. This disk can double up as a storage disk if you like, but ensure it always has a few hundred GB free on it.. and nothing else is using it while you're editing.

    A SSD is not necessary, but would speed things up, yes. A decent fast HDD such as a WD Caviar black or Samsung F3 would be OK though.
     
  18. Bituser

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    You've switched to a AMD mobo. Any reason? No CPU listed either.
     
  20. Bituser

    Bituser 64 Gigglebytes

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    I messed up a little bit there! I copied the wrong links. I have correct Mobo and CPU now. I have also updated the price.
     

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