Rant Car smoking ban

We should also ban alcohol, obesity, and why not old age while we're at it?

There are plenty of drains on the NHS, plenty of things killing people, smoking is one of many causes. I wish people would think more broadly about issues and taking into account the larger picture rather than thinking x is bad so it should be banned.

I'm pretty sure most people here drink alcohol, and I found this surprising, most people don't see alcohol is a drug yet are more than happy to go on about how other things are bad and people shouldn't be allowed. But when you point out to them that what they're drinking is one of the most powerful and damaging narcotics available, "nah it's only alcohol."

 

You can't ban old age. You just have to execute people when they hit 70. Nice an' easy. I'm sure Goodbytes will agree with this. Obviously we'd just leave disabled kids and people with any sort of genetic defects to die at birth as well, 'cos, y'know, they take money away from your average joe in the NHS.

 

Agreed and pseudo intellectuals god the wind and c**p you get from those lot

 

Us actual intellectuals are fine though, yeah?

 

Exactly

May as well go the whole hog and start a eugenics program so we can breed the master race.

 

Dont know you so I cant comment Are you a actual intellectual? I'm pretty sure pseudo intellectuals would say they are actual intellectuals as well.

 

Person 1: The person to my right is a pseudo-intellectual.
Person 2: The person to my left is an intellectual.

Or something like that, I think.

I'm not sure the government should get into the process of banning vices. As I said before, if someone wants to smoke in his own private space, then that's his business. I do object when the smoke passes into my private space, which is why I brought up my story in a previous post. Should cigarette manufacturers be required to include an ingredients list on all packaging, just as almost all other products are required to display?

 

bloody nanny state.
I work hard pay tax leave me alone, we fight your stupid wars, do things you'll never admit, leave us the f**k alone.

You know what, the whole subject just makes me mad. I have much more to say but trying to type it would be difficult with out being offensive

 

My dad used to do it then shut all the windows and turn the heating on full blast just to try kill us i think

It was awful like some form of gas chamber

 

Are we all in agreement on banning smoking around children and whilst pregnant, then, if nothing else is achieved here?

I still can't believe the government is dealing with smoking in cars over and above that, to be honest. It just makes no sense at all.

 

Banning smoking around kids, yes, but I'd say only for the adults who are the guardians of the kids. I dislike the idea of a family bringing their little horrors into a beer garden and then no-one being able to smoke just because the parents have taken their children into what should ideally be an adults only place.

 

You're talking about a beer garden, which is private property. As such, the proprietor should be able to establish whether or not his business is a smoke-free establishment. Parents would then frequent the establishment knowing full well the risks involved.

I took boiled_elephant's question to include public places. Should people have an expectation of a smoke-free environment in a public space? If I'm standing on a public street corner, I dislike the idea of a smoker walking up next to me and clouding my area with his smoke.

 

Of course they should, but the times of such rights being respected are long gone. What I'm arguing for is not making things worse still, since I know that things aren't going to get better for a long, long time.

To the same extent that they have an expectation of a vehicle free public space, yes. I'll let you decide what that means to you.

As a society we trade our vices, or we ban nearly all of them. Whether we're going to be mature about things, or just ban everything, remains to be seen. However I suspect that given how puritanical everyone is becoming these days, the latter will be the case.

 

Your area? If it's a public space you have the choice to move yourself. Also, why would you be loitering in a public space?

 

Waiting for a lift/bus/taxi/train?
Making/taking a phone call?
Prostitution?

 

No. If you're going to put legal limits on what people can and cannot do while pregnant, it's the thin end of a very serious wedge.

 

Loitering is your word, not his. Plenty of reasons to stand on a street corner. Or, even if he is standing on that street corner for a long enough time to be considered loitering there may be nothing legally wrong with him doing so. If you want to try and pick holes in irrelevant parts of the discussion why not ask what the smoker is doing loitering in the same area?

Whatever the case may be, he's been peacefully standing on this street corner seemingly not bothering anyone else occupying the public space of this street corner. A smoker releasing hazardous smoke into the area around him or her, however, is quite capable of bothering other people nearby. Why should those nearby have to move when this person is causing trouble for others?

 

Considering that multiple times i have almost been run over by people lighting their cigarettes or tapping it to remove the ashes... and the times i have eaten buts and asshes while waiting for the bus and driving a motorcycle... i have a very negative view on things that occupy your hands while you drive...

As for health related problems... sure, lets liberalise everything! Everyone should be free to choose what they want to do with their health, including things that will eventually ruin the health of other people.

 

Unless the bus stop is the size of a phone box...you can take a phone call anywhere or in a phone box and I highly doubt a smoker is going to come and squeeze themselves in there with you.

And the other is illegal, so actually, get out of my area

1. IF he's loitering he has no obligation to stand there and inhale any smoke he doesn't want to.

2. This is a hypothetical, "peacefully standing" how do you know he wasn't shooting babies? Don't embellish someone elses story for them.

3. Why couldn't anyone be bothered to go to the smoker and ask them to put their cigarette out? If you don't ask you don't get.

 

Anyone that says they have the same control in the vehicle whilst they have a smoke, eat or drink is surely kidding themselves? Any activity that may prevent you having complete control over a vehicle whilst in motion is a bad thing in my opinion. Reaction times must be significantly reduced compared to someone just focusing on driving?
To me, smoking, drinking and eating whilst driving is an obvious risk that has a very simple solution. Ban it.