/sigh, Ok, yes, I meant eke. Sometimes my brain moves faster than my fingers. I should also state that I have absolutely against nVidia cards. I'll re-iterate what I said over on the Maximum PC boards. Of my last 6 video cards, I have had the following FX5200, 2x6800 XT's, X1900 GT, 8600 GT, 8800 GTX, ATI 5770 (4 to 2 in favor of nVidia counting the 2 6800 XT's in SLI as a single card purchase). I'm really hoping that this latest round smacks nVidia around enough to wake them up and make them realize that if they are going to charge an exorbitantly premium price, they have to justify it with a FAR superior product. Not these nickle and dime performance improvements (compared to ATI or their previous products) they've done for the past 4 years (Sorry nVidia fans, but Physx simply isn't worth an extra $100 - 200 depending on the card). I will gladly buy an nVidia card again, but not until they earn my business back. As far as getting together with ATI, I highly doubt that will ever happen. The companies are polar opposites in too many ways and there's a lot of bad blood. Besides, in general, competition is far better for innovation in the corporate world. Now if they were competing open-source communities, then yes I think there would be much more to gain by them coming together. P.S: It's Nvidia HAS the gpgpu lead even now., not "Nvidia have the gpgpu lead even now".