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News China's Hygon chips outed as Epyc in disguise

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by bit-tech, 9 Jul 2018.

  1. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

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    Maybe there's confusion over what the 'enthusiast' market is, in my book it's people like us who buy separate parts and build our own system, it's not laptops, tablets, desktops (OEM), or HEDT (again mainly OEM), it's not the mainstream market, it's the enthusiast market.

    I probably should have been more specific, or less, either way i was trying to convey how it's the companies that buy in the thousands and millions that's the real prize whether that be super computers with many cores or OEM's who want cheaper, lower power draw, etc, etc.

    The reason why i only mentioned super computers initially was because we were focusing on higher core counts.
    For sure, and sorry for not being more specific, like i say above i was trying to convey how us enthusiasts are but a tiny market when compared to the extremes of the spectrum, super computers on one end and OEM's (laptops, cheap desktops) on the other.
     
  2. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Staff Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

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    For Intel, there's no distinction: whether you're buying a Celeron or a Core i9, you're Client Computing Group.
    Aye, and the companies who are buying the most chips are the mainstream OEMs, not the data centre or HPC specialists. (Well, that's not quite true: the companies who are buying the most chips are the embedded lot, but Intel lost that battle years ago.)
     
  3. hyperion

    hyperion Active Member

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    Tbh I won't be surprised if some of these somehow find their way onto aliexpress despite the restrictions.
     
  4. edzieba

    edzieba Virtual Realist

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    There's even less competition in HPC than in the desktop space, at least for CPUs:
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    (TOP500's current 'dynamic' architecture graph is completely worthless, so this is the most recent one that is actually readable).
    Coprocessors are another matter, Nvidia hold about 75% of the coprocessor market and Intel about 15-ish% with various Xeon Phi generations, but ~80% of the market (~60% of performance capacity) still uses just CPUs without coprocessors.
     
  5. Anfield

    Anfield Well-Known Member

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    If the combined marketshare of Intel and AMD is 99.9% or less of the HPC market then they have more competition than the desktop market where the combined marketshare of Intel and AMD is 100%, no?
     
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