News Church in trouble over PS3 attack?

Fair does - just in a grammar nazi move, not really having a go

 

Harsh but I have to agree.
But, each to their own I say.

As to the matter of CoE having a hissy fit, what's their problem?
I've not played the game or anything but unless demons are de-flowering virgins on the altar with a crucifix then pissing in the holy water, I can't see what the problem is.

A church isn't in theory a posession of the CoE anyway, its a 'house of the lord'.
So they should maybe try the 'thou shalt not judge' line and let the fish & loaf specialist upstairs pass judgement on these 'sinners'?

 

> I was stating my religious orientation

So was I.

I've lived my whole life with my views, which are based on reason and logic, being seen as less valid than yours, which are probably based on what your parents told you to believe when you were too young to scream "********". I'm not about to sit back and let it happen on some internet forum.

If the CoE complaint is taken seriously, it'll be another example of this sort of mentality. I am not into cultural relativism, sorry.

Phil

 

whoa lets not descend into a religion war here, OK maybe Religion is bull, or maybe its not, who knows

However, the essence of religion is true, to be a good person, to not harm others

I personally find is so f*in stupid that Roman Catholic Vs CoE is some sort of problem, FFS people is all Christianity
Whatever your views are, i don't think it really effects what should happen in the outcome of this case

 

I possibly should of separated the two points out to show clearer the two points in my post were not linked.

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Please don't label me, you don't know my views. I am not at all anti-Christian. I was merely commenting on the fact the Church of England require donations as a major form of their income, normally a lot quicker in asking than this circumstance.

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Commenting on the discussion, whether people agree with religion or not, arguably we still need to respect a place of 'worship' as it is in some people’s words. Although, on the other hand the law seems to agree with Sony, perhaps Sony are not wrong but in future may be more considerate?

 

i think morally Sony are wrong, they are using a church in a scene which is very much against the beliefs of the religion
However legally, they seem to be quite safe

I think peoples beliefs are irrelevant to this fact, i think whatever you choose to believe, that is still the truth

 

Can you enlighten me, I've never played the game so not sure what happens...

 

1) I think you're missing the meaning of religious views as opposed to the meaning of religious orientation.

2) As a matter of fact, I wasn't religious until the year before I went to college.

Yay for assumptions!

 

Basically you fight a massive swarm of enemies in Manchester Cathedral, from what I can gather. The Church is angry because they don't condone violence and needless death. Except for religious causes, apparently.

 

LMAO!!

Kill 'em all let God sort 'em out...

Or as the senior drill instructor might say...

 

oh brother, what a way to sum up your own article to force your views of christianity across even more. truely getting tiresome the amount of coloumns given over to this story.

 

I don't actually have a view on christianity per se, I'm happy to let people enjoy their freedom of religion and do whatever they want with their lives. I just get a bit defensive when their religion, which is filled with holes I won't go into since I got bored with it all back when i studied RE at A-level, impedes on my hobbies and enjoyment. It's also a matter of truth that the Church does not condone violence, but will use it if needed for religious causes, as well as beatificating those who have led religious wars, such as Joan of Arc.

Sorry if you felt I was forcing my view on you though, we're only attempting to cover the story in full detail as it develops for those who, like me, may be interested in the wider effects it may have.

 

Well in that case perhaps your summary would have been better stated as

Church is angry because a company has used an exact copy of the interior of their building without seeking permission. They are further aggravated at the use of guns in copy of building which runs contra to their current anti-gun program in the city of Manchester and their belief that the use of guns inside the building promotes an acceptance of guns in Manchester by the church.

Would you be so quick to condemn the case if it had been for instance Manchester children’s hospital raising the complaint? Take the fact that it’s a church complaining and see it as an organisation and is their complaint wrong.

Oh and the physics and chemistry I studied at a-level also had holes, these were filled in with further study.

 

...but that just doesn't sound as cool

And, honestly, I would complain if it were manchester childrens hospital if they too had no legal basis for the complaint. Legal grounding? Fair enough, otherwise unless the player was gunning down patients in the hospital it's fair game to let us kill aliens to save the world. Freedom of speech says we can do that wherever we want.

 

You dont need legal grounding to have a complaint. and so far the 24 hour bit-tech CofE watch has yet to say the church has sued Sony, they have only threatened to sue and complained.

 

I know you don't need legal grounding, I simply mean that I'm only going to give support to the church on a matter like this if they can prove they've been legally wronged somehow. If it's just that Sony hurt their feelings (or the more cynical idea that the Church just wants a donation or some publicity in youth groups) then I'm going to back Sony, which is a big thing given how often I'm accused of being anti-sony.

 

I have to say I side with the COE on this one.

A commenter on Kotaku changed my stance from "Don't care":

And that is pretty much the way it should be, respect other peoples beliefs and property. If you're unsure check, then double check.

 

You refer to legal grounding but we all know that laws are completely left behind by the relentless advance of IT and the internet and often don't apply in a logical way.

That said, I wouldn't care if it was in a kids hospital, an old folks home, a school, a monastery or my own flat.
Its a game, Its not real.

Lets not forgte that a great number of wars have been started and/or fuelled by religous beliefs and the Christian faith is not blameless in this.

In reality, Sony can perhaps be accused of in-sensitivity in light of the anti-gun sentiment in Manchester, but that's about it.

 

Remember guys, Church of England is not the same as the Church in the Vatican.