I have just been told the largest pile of ******** EVER! There is a note were i work "All male members of staff are now required to be clean shaven anyone who fails to do so will be issued with a bic razor" **** off am i doing that! I assume i will be issued a disciplinary if i don't do it but thats got to be the biggest pile of **** i have ever heard Now were i work thats only three guys Me, a guy who is a cook and guy who works on the tills and plate up Im the only one that 99% of the time works with customers and i keep a beard... the other two don't but sometimes have stubble so mainly there saying "You shave your beard it makes us look bad" I keep it in check i don't walk around with a long viking beard no mustache no side bits just the chin really and a small goatee clean and tidy no hobo This is so much ******** its unreal! am i being unreasonable or do you think this is a bit harsh aswell? either way im standing my ground
I had this argument with work many times, they could never give me a valid reason as to why I had to keep clean shaven. Only excuse ever given was that hair could fall into food, but wait, we're allowed a moustache... You can stand up all your want, but in the end the people sitting in the big chairs will win.
You are being unreasonable. It is not harsh. You are paid by them to fulfill a role, part of that role is presenting the image they want to present to their clientèle. If that means that they want you clean shaven you are left with two options: Leave, or shave. They pay you, so they decide on the grooming standard. It sucks to be in that situation, but that's it. You should either shave or quit.
Im holding my ground till they say "do it or we fire you" then i will do it once let it grow back in a few weeks and go through it again I've gone into plenty of food places (were i work...) and seen bearded men never put me off or had any suspicion it might fall of into food next they will be telling the girls to have there hair cut short
Don't loose your cool over it, but i wouldn't bother complying. Just a polite (not too polite, don't be a c*ck "no thanks, i'll keep it".
Im going to ignore its there until someone has the guts to actual come give me a good reason why... Then it will go from there my mum is saying "Go shave" Because she has worked there for 10 years and thinks she is like a manager who can call the shots aswell as like 3 others Then theres my dad who is saying "Don't do it, you should'nt have to" Which i agree unless i have some horrible massive beard that looks grose then there should'nt be a problem with a bit of facial hair
They should be telling all the girls to wear hair nets. But this isn't about hygiene, it's about doing what your boss tells you to do. They want you shaved, so you can either shave and keep your job, or not shave and not keep your job. It's not that hard a decision. Just because you like your beard doesn't give you the right to keep it. Some people like wearing clown suits all the time, it doesn't give them the right to go to their office meetings in one every single time.
Out of curiosity then if a woman does get told to cut her hair, do you still think the same? Does "she does it or leaves" still apply? How far should it go? dyeing your hair if they told you to?
I don't think you are being unreasonable at all. Your employer has absolutely no right to demand you be clean shaven or tell you to get a haircut or anything else similar. I had a similar thing a few years ago and I just said no. They can't do anything about it.
Yes you are. Although i don't know why your management communicates in signs, from what you told us it doesn't seem like a prohibitively large work force.
They pay you to be a presentable, since as you say, you spend most time with customers. I was asked the same thing, a few months back. I miss my beard, sure, but that's not what it's about. It's about keeping the people that pay you happy. Otherwise they stop paying you. They can make up whatever rules they like, and unless you want to quit or get fired, you get the fun bit of complying with their demands.
It says nothing of this in are contracts it says: Hair should be kept at a reasonable length or you will be required to wear a hair net fair dues we have been told A guy next to me asked "What about facial hair?" to which he got the reply "You have no requirements on facial hair but your manager may ask you to trim it or keep it to reasonable length" By doing this they have breached my working contract which i agreed to they should have rewritten the contracts and have us resign not just say we have to do it so by that they can't sack me for it because there reason breached my contract and is not reasonable at all in my views (they never said they will sack me just im sure it may come up as a threat)
Usually any beard is fine as long as its kept tidy. And if its a food hygiene thing, they make facial hair nets which strap over the chin and surrounding area.
As most have said really, if you want to keep your job then shave your beard. If your employers want their staff to present a clean professional image (part of which being clean shaven) then they have every right to tell you to shave. No, they cannot make you do it, but with the way jobs are at the moment, I'm sure you'll be the first person they pick to be laid off when further cuts come in.
It applies as far as people are still willing to work there. As long as someone is willing to live by it then everyone else can either live with it too or be replaced by those who will. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen, so to speak. If a certain style of grooming is required then you either have to accept that or find employment elsewhere. For example: I work in an office environment. I enjoy the look and feel of longer hair, however, this is not considered professionally acceptable, even when well maintained. Jeans and graphic T-shirts with a hoody, my normal style of dress, are also certainly not accepted. As part of working here I have cut my hair and dress in buttoned shirts and slacks. I walk in with beat up jeans and Bit-tech T-shirt with a picture of a flaming toaster and you can bet that I'll be replaced by the next up and coming college student. Your best bet of keeping your beard is to point out that this is requirement is new and did not exist at your time of hiring. Emphasize that you were hired under the impression that a well-kept beard was acceptable in the work environment and that your practice of keeping a beard has been allowed up until now. Just keep in mind that the harder you fight something the more hostile of an environment you'll be creating for yourself and others. Consider whether either the job or the beard are really worth the trouble.
Sure. Why not. If you're an actor and you have to play a character with pink hair, I don't think it's unreasonable in the slightest for the director to demand that you dye your hair. It's no different in this situation. You're payed to fulfill a role, and in customer service part of that role might be wearing a uniform, being presentable to their standard, and sometimes being clean shaven. You see that word reasonable up there? That's their wiggle word. In this case they've decided reasonable is less than 1mm. Manager asking you to trim facial hair equates to manager asking you to shave. They haven't breached your contract, they've asked you to do your job, which you're not doing if you have a beard. There are plenty of things not in your contract that you still can't expect to do and then keep your job. Get over it and either shave, or quit. You don't have a right to that job. If you're not doing it, they're within their rights to fire you, and clearly you're currently not fulfilling the role they want you to fill.
if you had the beard when they interviewed you intially then tell them to get stuffed they know what they were getting when they hired you if you've grown it since starting then fair enough they are just asking you to appear as you were when hired.
I would say it is unreasonable, as long as it is tidy. Like you say should the women be told to cut their hair. Especially as it's in your contract. PLUS if they did kick up a fuss there is so many laws on unfair dismissel im sure you'd be on the winning side.
I don't care if someone has a little goatee or mustache, but the only time I see workers with one of those, is in a place with generally crappy service. Clean shaven is usually the standard for anywhere with a half decent level of customer service, but as others have stated, the boss can run his business however he wants. If the boss wants staff to work naked and completely hairless, he has every right to advertise the positions, and only employ the people he desires. If previous positions are now redundant, that's not unfair dismissal. If someone brings me my food wearing anything like that, i'd walk out
