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News Computers can predict your pwnage

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by CardJoe, 3 Sep 2007.

  1. CardJoe

    CardJoe Freelance Journalist

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  2. DriftCarl

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    Sure computers are capable of now predicting your actions 2 seconds before you do it. But how is that more realistic? I am sure the enemy in the field doesnt have 1000's of little sensors secretly hidden on your body for them to detect your heart rate and skin condition. This is taking AI a bit too far. The bots need to act on your actions and develop their own actions for their own protection. Not be able to predict your actions based on data which would be unrealistically obtained.
     
  3. CardJoe

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    No, instead humans use reason and creativity to imagine what opponents might do minutes or even hours ahead of the actual action, then narrow it down by watching body language etc before the actual attack occurs.
     
  4. Bauul

    Bauul Sir Bongaminge

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    "Them after "utilizing neural networks to analyze the biofeedback signals and input records," " - should be "then after..."

    Personally I don't believe this, I rarely know what I am doing two seconds in advance in a game of CS, let alone a computer working it out. This all seems rather unbelieavable to me to be honest.
     
  5. DougEdey

    DougEdey I pwn all your storage

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    You shall never predict me!

    ***proceeds to ultimate belly slap Joe***
     
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    Javerh Topiary Golem

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    At most this could be used to detect when a player is going to make a dash out of cover. Not what direction.
     
  7. CardJoe

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    :blush:
     
  8. DougEdey

    DougEdey I pwn all your storage

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    I think that was sooooo awesome I should sign it.

    (Guess the reference)
     
  9. wharrad

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    Scrubs?
     
  10. DougEdey

    DougEdey I pwn all your storage

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    We have a WINNA!
     
  11. DeX

    DeX Mube Codder

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    I think that's the point. If they are looking at responses gamers make based on heart rate and skin conductance that has a stronger link to their emotions than their thoughts. Your emotions could affect your decision to take cover or to fight. I think the study is most interesting because it gives some sort of insight into what our natural instincts are in a tense situation like a battle.

    I think Joe put the wrong spin on this in relating it to AI. It is easy to make AI unbeatable. It isn't easy to make AI believable. Even if games were linked up to your heart rate and skin conductance, it wouldn't be of any benefit to have the AI guess what you were going to do next as it would be totally unrealistic given that in real life, your enemy doesn't know what your emotions are. What it does show however is that most people seem to have similar behaviour in certain situations and games are just a method of putting someone in these kinds of situations in a controlled way.
     
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    or shoot, or when he finds and enemy, or is near his objective, or is low on ammo or health..... and this could be used out there in the battlefield....
     
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    *Alan Partridge Voice* Back of the net! */alan*
     
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    If this type of thing were applied to a game, say CS:S, I would bet it would be defeated within a week by anyone who plays that game without taking as much as a break for munchies and piss.
     
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    until you figure out how to give the biofeedback network false positives. then the pwning continues.

    it's just like a magician. you watch the hands, not the eyes.
     
  16. Bauul

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    N'ah, I still don't agree. Imagine a CS game (for example), you're running along, on the look out for enemies, then one appears... BANG! Either you live, or they do. Now imagine just how long two seconds is. That's one.... two..... done. How long is two seconds in a game of CS? Entire teams can be wiped out by a single guy in two seconds. It's impossible to predict what's going to happen in two seconds time, conciously or not, because you base your actions ordinarilly on stuff that happens maybe only half to a few tenths of seconds in the past, not two seconds ago. If you react to stuff two seconds late, you'd be dead all the time.

    If they said "we can predict stuff that will happen in a tenth of a second" then fine, that makes more sense, but to say two seconds that belies belief, because that requires traveling into the future to obtain information the players themselves have yet to recieve, unconciously or not. Maybe in a test of "at some point in the future, shout "YO!" and I bet we can predict when that is going to happen" they can work, but people don't have the luxery of having all the information they need to make a decision in advance in most games out there, it's often reactionary, but based on a strategy, so we're talking unconcious decisions of a tenth of a second, and concious ones of about 30 seconds or a minute. At no point are any decisions made that happen two seconds in advance.
     
  17. Bungle

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    Predicting 1/10th of a sec = no Research grant
    Predicting 2 sec = Research grant:D

    It's all a load of hog wash. There is not fate but what we make for ourselves. (cue terminator music).

    P.S I wonder where they stick them probes to tell when your excited :)
     
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  19. Ryu_ookami

    Ryu_ookami I write therefore I suffer.

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    you would defeat it the same way you would defeat a polygrapth stand on a tack :) the pain causes you heart to beat faster and for your skin to perspire (of couse the more pain the better the response) the sensors would see this and predict something to happen based on these events when all that has really happened is that you stood on a tack on purpose :)
     
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