Rant Cops in the UK - useless!

I believe you mate after all you believed me .........Oh wait !

Ok just so you understand why I said the things I did in my first post, You should notice I did say the police where I live I've lets say encountered the police 4 times since I've lived up here.

First time, I was driving to a important hospital appointment I had been waiting best part of a year to to get it, So the wife with me again I left with ample time to spare parking is a nightmare there,
So I get stopped by this rather large ( over weight ) officer he says nothing to worry about just checking no problem says I gives him my documents and off he goes, I have no idea wtf he was doing but time was getting on so he returns I said is that it then just need to check something else he says so I replied can we get this done as quick as poss I explained about the appointment and showed him the letter, His reply was you should have left earlier, Off course I was late for the appointment fortunately the consultant was more understanding then the retard police officer.


Encounter 2, Driving to the shops I get stopped not the same police officer just as large though lol, Anyway its raining so he takes my doc's and ask me to come and sit in his car ? after sitting there for a while he had already done what ever checks he had to so I said so can I go now he says no I said am I under arrest for something then? no says he so why am I sitting in your car then he says well its cosy in here seriously I'm not joking he really did say that lol So I you coming on to me or something its all very flattering but I don't swing that way lol he says whats with the attitude I replied I was just thinking the same thing about you so how about you arrest me and we will sort this out down the station or just give my doc's back and I can go.


Encounter 3 Just parked up outside a 2nd hand shop just got out and I see a old bloke trying to park in the space behind me so I jump back in and pull forward to give him more room couldn't have been more than 15 foot next thing I know I'm being booked for not wearing a seat belt wtf ?

The 4th was the cars being keyed up.

I honestly cant say my experiences of the police up here have been positive one's.

I await to be called a liar and accused of double standards by the few police officers here

Mind we are just taking your word on the fact you actually are police officers arnt we

 

Clearly we are mindless drones that do not require food and drink to operate. I'd love to have the time to spend an hour in Krispy Kreme. We must be the only occupation that is frowned upon for eating out. Even if I walk into Tesco to get a sandwich I get 250 odd jaw dropped people look at me like I'm an Alien.

However, what I find far worse are the unemployed trying to tell me how they pay my wages. More often than not they also expect more from us than the tax payers do.

Is it merely a coincidence that you rarely see honest, hard working and educated people give the Police a hard time?

 

First encounter: I fail to see the problem with just being pulled over. I also fail to see the relevance in him being overweight? What has enforcing law got to do with weight? I'd say I spend about 0.005% of my time at work physically chasing people.

Second encounter: Sounds like you were being a smart-arse. Unfortunately if you want to be awkward so can we; respect goes both ways.

Third encounter: Were you driving a motor vehicle on the road whilst failing to wear a seat belt? Then you've committed the offence. I've no doubt your attitude's what got you the ticket.

Fourth Encounter: Um... Care to expand?

Unfortunately, you've been accused of double standards and called a liar by more people who aren't Police Officers, than those who are.

You'll find me on the Kent Police website.

 

Whilst I am sure you (the OP) have a point in some cases, its unfair of you to generalise like you have done. Not all police are useless, the ones near you might be- but that doesn't mean that all of them are.

Policing is a hard job and a crucial one, lets be a bit more sensitive to those who do go out in all good interests to help keep us safe, potentially putting their own safety on the line at the same time

Teelzebub, if you are being stopped for no reason you should file a complain with the independent police commission (http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/en/Pages/default.aspx) or something, as unless the police have a good reason to stop you they shouldn't.

Fishlock, loathe as I am to defend Teelzebub, what's wrong is he was late for his appointment! Now if he had been doing something wrong then fine, not an issue, but being pulled over for no reason is not something police are allowed to do.

 

Fishlock's reply above is spot on.

I'm sure The Police Officer didn't want to stand in the rain while he conducted checks on your vehicle, nor would they have wanted your documents to get wet.

The Police Officer would not have sat in your car with you to conduct his checks as it is unsafe to do so, after all he knows nothing about you or what possible weapons you could have at hand (not accusing you of carrying a weapon personally).

Asking you to sit in their car is routine as it will be warm and have the correct forms and equipment for them to conduct the checks in question.

Not wearing you seatbelt is against the Law, simple as.

Just for the record, I've not stated that I am Police Officer.

If you've been pulled over three times (feel free to correct me if I've counted wrong) by the Police on separate occasions, did you not feel the need to ask why they stopped you? I certainly know I'd be asking why if I was doing nothing wrong at the time..

The Police do normally tell you why you've been stopped. If you are stopped and no reason is given at the time, you're well within your rights to ask the Officer.

 

I was casually drawing attention to the fact that Teel has stated he got pulled over on several separate occasions but casually also forgot to say why...

 

Did you count the jaw dropped people then? I hope when you write up your reports you a little more accurate than that, Also is this a new part of police training to spot a honest hard working educated people just by looking at them lol a sweeping statement indeed

The fact he was deliberately wasting as much time as he could even tough there was no good reason to thats the problem but lets be honest here YOU do just fail to see.

If you had read the post you would have seen I wasn't being awkward untill I asked him why I was sittinging in his car and got a smart arse reply There was no reason to be sitting in his car at all.

Nothing was said on my part call me a liar again why dont you lol the old bill in question gave me a ticket because he could simple.

it may enlighten you

Meh such is life I also have friends


You'll find me on the Kent Police website.[/QUOTE]

 

It sounds like you had some sucky experiences with the police but the problem with anecdotes like these is that they are subjective. If the police officers in question were here they would give different account; your wife possibly a different one again and some bystander another one still. It's a Rashomon's nightmare.

So it's kind of pointless to pursue this. You say cops are useless because of your experiences with them. Others disagree because their experiences have been different and thus they find it hard to believe you. Either way we won't get to the bottom of who is right or wrong here. We'll all just have to agree to disagree.

 

I was told just routine checks which seemed to develop into something else obviously not the no seat belt time. I carry my documents with me at all times and they would have checked via the radio even before so the real question should have been why after doing The check was I still being prevented from going on my way?

Nexxo I totally agree with you and I was going to just walk away as you know and I did say I have met some good officers and we would be buggered without the police all conveniently not quoted.

Time to get my coat because there's non so blind as those who wont see

 

Wow, probably your most immature response yet.

Despite the above, the Police actually don't need a reason to stop someone. Else routine stop points would be illegal. How can we carry out checks on the standard of the vehicle and it's occupants without stopping it. Read.

We sometimes ask people to sit in the car, it's often easier all round. If he wasn't detaining you for a search or an arrest, you didn't have to sit in there.

Exactly right, he could. And did.

 

I appreciate if he was late for his appointment, but the Officer wouldn't have known that when he pulled him. As already stated, we don't need a reason, nor do we need to give one.

Just as a side note, I wouldn't carry all your documents with you all the time, it makes it much easier for someone to steal your car and your identity. Keep them safe at home. Also, how did you know he completed his checks before stopping you? He couldn't have known who was driving before you provided him with your name?

 

No, but when he showed the hospital appointment letter, the officer could have shown willing.

There is no point picking over who said what when and how exactly. It's all subjective interpretation (on all sides). Let it go, everybody. Let it go...

 

As I already said once he had done the check I showed him the Hospital letter so he did know, And I Was not late at the time he stopped me as I have already stated I left home with ample time to get there, But the officer chose to deliberately make me late.

I actually agree with you on this but once the officer had ascertained I was the legal owner of the car what exactly would the reason be for deliberately making me late? or is that just because he could

Thats my last post in this thread

 

Okay, next time I stop someone that could potentially be wanted for a serious offence, I'll forget about checking them because they produced a letter.

Edit: Apologies, had he already completed all the checks, knew about your appointment, but then delayed you? If so, completely unneccesary. You would have been well within your rights to get out of the car, back into your own car, and drive off.

Further edit: Did he explain what the further checks were? The issue is, you could have been driving away from a burglary in a car that matched that of a description given by a witness. As much as you weren't involved we still need to rule you out. That can take a while.

 

Your getting number 1 mixed up with number 2 there lol Fyi he still had my documents and I reckon just getting in my car and driving off would have resulted in me getting arrested.

No he didn't give any further explanation, 10am with the wife being involved a burglary thanks I LAMAO'd at that Now I really must get on planning the next big heist with the wife lol

 

Teel, if you intend for yourself to be taken seriously you need to stop being so rude to people.

He wasn't suggesting you had committed a robbery but rather used it as an example of why they might pull someone over.

 

Yea I know that but being called a Liar, Lazy and having double standards tends to affect me that way. And it still does not excuse the fact he was deliberately making me late.

Nothing I have posted was a lie yet I get called those things even a mod suggested it too, A poor show indeed

Edit Last thing on this, I've worked bloody hard all my life I left school at 14 got my qualifications as a electrician and as a welder I've done jobs most wouldn't go near the assumption that being educated means your honest is just BS

 

Trouble is Teez, you could well be a cracking good bloke IRL, but on here you're portraying yourself as a tool. Any valid question put to you is responded by with insults, poor grammar and without thought.

What could you have been arrested for? An arrest is a pretty serious thing nowadays with some serious life implications. We don't just go around arresting for anything and everything anymore, there are too many easier alternatives that don't impact upon the arrested persons life so much.

 

I once caught an ordinary-looking couple (man and woman) in the act of trying to steal a car from the parking lot behind our apartment block. When they triggered an alarm they jumped back into their car and white-smoked it out of there. For some people it is a family day out.

 

There's that assumption again educated means?